Threat to close Cwmcarn Forest Drive - tell us what you think

Threat to close Cwmcarn Forest Drive - tell us what you think

Threat to close Cwmcarn Forest Drive - tell us what you think

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WE brought the news yesterday that the future of Cwmcarn Forest Drive is uncertain due to large-scale tree-felling which will begin in November.

Are you one of the hundreds of thousands of people who use Gwent's biggest tourist attraction? Are you concerned that it could close in November, never to re-open again?

If you are, our reporter Emma Mackintosh would like to speak to you.

You can contact her on 01633 777206, via e-mail at emma.mackintosh@southwalesargus.co.uk or on Twitter @argusmackintosh

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10:54am Fri 16 May 14

-trigg- says...

I fail to understand why a programme of felling which is due to start in November during the "off-season" when there are far fewer visitors to forest Drive anyway would necessitate the permanent closure of the site.

I get the impression that the diseased trees are being used as an excuse for a cost saving exercise. That was as much as admitted by Natural Resources Wales when their spokesman said they were they were "exploring all possible funding options".
I fail to understand why a programme of felling which is due to start in November during the "off-season" when there are far fewer visitors to forest Drive anyway would necessitate the permanent closure of the site. I get the impression that the diseased trees are being used as an excuse for a cost saving exercise. That was as much as admitted by Natural Resources Wales when their spokesman said they were they were "exploring all possible funding options". -trigg-
  • Score: 39

11:19am Fri 16 May 14

Loose Ed says...

Bwlch Nant Yr Arian near Aberystwyth has had the same problem but although the site has been virtually clear felled, the walks, bike trails and red kite feeding station are all now fully operating again and the excellent visitor centre and cafe to my knowledge never closed during the tree harvesting work.
Anyone who has seen the tree harvesting and haulage machines used nowadays would know immediately why the working areas have to be closed to public access, that is what the statement says if you read it properly, it clearly states that the visitor centre etc will remain open.
Lets hope the areas are replanted with native species to replaced the diseased larch and conifers
Bwlch Nant Yr Arian near Aberystwyth has had the same problem but although the site has been virtually clear felled, the walks, bike trails and red kite feeding station are all now fully operating again and the excellent visitor centre and cafe to my knowledge never closed during the tree harvesting work. Anyone who has seen the tree harvesting and haulage machines used nowadays would know immediately why the working areas have to be closed to public access, that is what the statement says if you read it properly, it clearly states that the visitor centre etc will remain open. Lets hope the areas are replanted with native species to replaced the diseased larch and conifers Loose Ed
  • Score: 24

12:10pm Fri 16 May 14

ivor27 says...

It is believed that the actual tree felling will not commence until 2016. I accept that the drive will have to close whilst the work is being done but 5 years closure at the very minimum does seem a bit drastic. The bike track will still be open so the "non paying" public will be able to continue to use all these free facilities. The Scenic drive has attracted thousands of people over the years (and not just bikers) and to close it would be awful. A few months ago there was a presentation in the visitors centre of options for improving the drive, the caravan site and all of the surrounding facilities. Was this just false hopes?? Nobody seems to care about the little village of Cwmcarn. I sincerely hope that the Scenic Drive will reopen in the near future.
It is believed that the actual tree felling will not commence until 2016. I accept that the drive will have to close whilst the work is being done but 5 years closure at the very minimum does seem a bit drastic. The bike track will still be open so the "non paying" public will be able to continue to use all these free facilities. The Scenic drive has attracted thousands of people over the years (and not just bikers) and to close it would be awful. A few months ago there was a presentation in the visitors centre of options for improving the drive, the caravan site and all of the surrounding facilities. Was this just false hopes?? Nobody seems to care about the little village of Cwmcarn. I sincerely hope that the Scenic Drive will reopen in the near future. ivor27
  • Score: 24

1:43pm Fri 16 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Have a look what 50,000 tonnes of larch of worth at the moment, investment after felling shouldn't be a problem unless someone is secretly making a fortune somewhere.

I have been involved with subcontractors doing larch felling for this very purpose and they do it pretty much for free providing they can keep the timber.

Where is this timber destined for as it is a valuable asset?
Have a look what 50,000 tonnes of larch of worth at the moment, investment after felling shouldn't be a problem unless someone is secretly making a fortune somewhere. I have been involved with subcontractors doing larch felling for this very purpose and they do it pretty much for free providing they can keep the timber. Where is this timber destined for as it is a valuable asset? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 22

1:45pm Fri 16 May 14

bignath says...

Can't understand why they haven't thought about installing a chairlift which could be used for walkers and bikers alike, it would allow for further trail development which I'm sure would bring in more income and see visitor numbers rise :-)
Can't understand why they haven't thought about installing a chairlift which could be used for walkers and bikers alike, it would allow for further trail development which I'm sure would bring in more income and see visitor numbers rise :-) bignath
  • Score: 16

2:08pm Fri 16 May 14

Grüngemüse says...

Of course it doesn't help with Caerphilly council putting up parking meters at all it's country parks.
Of course it doesn't help with Caerphilly council putting up parking meters at all it's country parks. Grüngemüse
  • Score: 27

2:39pm Fri 16 May 14

Lockjoe says...

At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.
At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view. Lockjoe
  • Score: 3

2:55pm Fri 16 May 14

Woodgnome says...

Lockjoe wrote:
At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.
Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]Lockjoe[/bold] wrote: At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.[/p][/quote]Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else. Woodgnome
  • Score: -9

3:04pm Fri 16 May 14

Evabels says...

Love going to Cwmcarn as a family, it's a fabulous place and we have a yearly pass. Truely hope it doesn't close :(
Love going to Cwmcarn as a family, it's a fabulous place and we have a yearly pass. Truely hope it doesn't close :( Evabels
  • Score: 15

6:23pm Fri 16 May 14

inkyskin says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Lockjoe wrote:
At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.
Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.
not to mention the dog walkers letting their dogs sh!t everywhere!
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lockjoe[/bold] wrote: At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.[/p][/quote]Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.[/p][/quote]not to mention the dog walkers letting their dogs sh!t everywhere! inkyskin
  • Score: 18

6:24pm Fri 16 May 14

GogExile says...

I was up there on Good Friday and it was heaving. Although, the forest drive itself looked fairly quiet. It's a beautiful spot with the pond and various walking and cycling trails. If the campsite were extended I really believe it would be popular. I camp regularly and use leg power and public transport to get to sites. The public transport links are actually pretty good with the regular bus service taking you close to mainline rail heads. Expand the campsite, promote the transport links and promote the immediate and expanded local area (village pubs and shops, 6 Bells memorial etc). There aren't many place where you can camp in a forest, walk up mountains and along moorland, walk and cycle the canal as well as have comparatively straightforward links to cities like Newport, Bristol and Cardiff for day trips. Cwmcarn forest is a jewel with huge potential.
I was up there on Good Friday and it was heaving. Although, the forest drive itself looked fairly quiet. It's a beautiful spot with the pond and various walking and cycling trails. If the campsite were extended I really believe it would be popular. I camp regularly and use leg power and public transport to get to sites. The public transport links are actually pretty good with the regular bus service taking you close to mainline rail heads. Expand the campsite, promote the transport links and promote the immediate and expanded local area (village pubs and shops, 6 Bells memorial etc). There aren't many place where you can camp in a forest, walk up mountains and along moorland, walk and cycle the canal as well as have comparatively straightforward links to cities like Newport, Bristol and Cardiff for day trips. Cwmcarn forest is a jewel with huge potential. GogExile
  • Score: 18

6:26pm Fri 16 May 14

Bobevans says...

There have been major problems with illegal off road biking
There have been major problems with illegal off road biking Bobevans
  • Score: 2

1:41am Sat 17 May 14

Carwyn Jones says...

Bobevans wrote:
There have been major problems with illegal off road biking
Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: There have been major problems with illegal off road biking[/p][/quote]Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information. Carwyn Jones
  • Score: -3

6:27am Sat 17 May 14

Woodgnome says...

inkyskin wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Lockjoe wrote:
At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.
Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.
not to mention the dog walkers letting their dogs sh!t everywhere!
No wonder Cwmcarn is liked so much by the selfish few and avoided by many who dont want to be mown down by 30 year old kids riding mountain bikes or
wade through dog cr*p!!!
[quote][p][bold]inkyskin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lockjoe[/bold] wrote: At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.[/p][/quote]Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.[/p][/quote]not to mention the dog walkers letting their dogs sh!t everywhere![/p][/quote]No wonder Cwmcarn is liked so much by the selfish few and avoided by many who dont want to be mown down by 30 year old kids riding mountain bikes or wade through dog cr*p!!! Woodgnome
  • Score: 2

6:27am Sat 17 May 14

bravoscar says...

Carwyn Jones wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
There have been major problems with illegal off road biking
Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.
Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea.

I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems!
how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-)
Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing.
[quote][p][bold]Carwyn Jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: There have been major problems with illegal off road biking[/p][/quote]Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.[/p][/quote]Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea. I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems! how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-) Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing. bravoscar
  • Score: -1

9:28am Sat 17 May 14

Woodgnome says...

bravoscar wrote:
Carwyn Jones wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
There have been major problems with illegal off road biking
Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.
Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea.

I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems!
how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-)
Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing.
What happened to parenting?
[quote][p][bold]bravoscar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carwyn Jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: There have been major problems with illegal off road biking[/p][/quote]Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.[/p][/quote]Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea. I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems! how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-) Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing.[/p][/quote]What happened to parenting? Woodgnome
  • Score: 10

10:23am Sat 17 May 14

displayed says...

Closing the Cwmcarn Drive whether temporary or permanent or not, wont stop;
150 plus teenage miscreants gathering in Feeder Drive and drinking themselves silly, like last week!
Not to mention, antisocial behaviour an social breakdown.
It was probably arranged on facebook!

Nothing's gonna stop that!
Closing the Cwmcarn Drive whether temporary or permanent or not, wont stop; 150 plus teenage miscreants gathering in Feeder Drive and drinking themselves silly, like last week! Not to mention, antisocial behaviour an social breakdown. It was probably arranged on facebook! Nothing's gonna stop that! displayed
  • Score: 3

9:45pm Sat 17 May 14

naughty minnow says...

The scenic drive will only be closed during the usual closed season...Oct to March/April... its essential for the diseased trees to be removed....the footpaths and mountain bikeing trail will remain open during the closed season to motorists.... the forestry commision is already planning its replanting programme for the forests management. As one of the major tourist attractions in Caerphilly County there is no way that it will close on a permanent basis. As for those who complain about the £5 entry fee....its less than a packet of cigarettes.... and healthier...otherwis
e try walking it, its free...you will see more, and will get fitter in the process....
The scenic drive will only be closed during the usual closed season...Oct to March/April... its essential for the diseased trees to be removed....the footpaths and mountain bikeing trail will remain open during the closed season to motorists.... the forestry commision is already planning its replanting programme for the forests management. As one of the major tourist attractions in Caerphilly County there is no way that it will close on a permanent basis. As for those who complain about the £5 entry fee....its less than a packet of cigarettes.... and healthier...otherwis e try walking it, its free...you will see more, and will get fitter in the process.... naughty minnow
  • Score: 6

12:15pm Sun 18 May 14

squirrelchez says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Lockjoe wrote:
At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.
Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.
What do you expect on a BIKE TRAIL?!
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lockjoe[/bold] wrote: At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.[/p][/quote]Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.[/p][/quote]What do you expect on a BIKE TRAIL?! squirrelchez
  • Score: 6

1:35pm Sun 18 May 14

Woodgnome says...

squirrelchez wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
Lockjoe wrote:
At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.
Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.
What do you expect on a BIKE TRAIL?!
I'm impressed - you are a bright one! Of course it's not all a bike trail - just some of it. Get own down on the bits that aren't a bike trail - sound like you have banged your head.
[quote][p][bold]squirrelchez[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lockjoe[/bold] wrote: At a fiver to go and drive round it prices me out. Plenty of other viewing points and fun walks for the kids about without the cost of £5. Sorry to hear it's future is in jeopardy but won't make much difference to my life! Try the canal for a nice walk and view.[/p][/quote]Agree Lockjoe. The other "put off" are the mountain bikers belting round the place at top speed with no regard for anyone else.[/p][/quote]What do you expect on a BIKE TRAIL?![/p][/quote]I'm impressed - you are a bright one! Of course it's not all a bike trail - just some of it. Get own down on the bits that aren't a bike trail - sound like you have banged your head. Woodgnome
  • Score: -6

10:02pm Sun 18 May 14

mearmortal says...

I travelled last month to newport, road up to the drive, did the trail road back to newport and caught the train home again.
The Cwmcarn forest trail was well worth the visit, early in the morning, no dogs, virtually no one around, and very few people riding the trail.
I'll be making this a regular visit as back up monmouth way there's little to no other trails around, not even in the largest forest area in monmouth.
The trail here is well thought out, with variying terrain and makes for an interesting and enjoyable ride. I for one would like to see it continue to do so and develop further.
I travelled last month to newport, road up to the drive, did the trail road back to newport and caught the train home again. The Cwmcarn forest trail was well worth the visit, early in the morning, no dogs, virtually no one around, and very few people riding the trail. I'll be making this a regular visit as back up monmouth way there's little to no other trails around, not even in the largest forest area in monmouth. The trail here is well thought out, with variying terrain and makes for an interesting and enjoyable ride. I for one would like to see it continue to do so and develop further. mearmortal
  • Score: 6

1:28pm Mon 19 May 14

ivor27 says...

naughty minnow says...

The scenic drive will only be closed during the usual closed season...Oct to March/April... its essential for the diseased trees to be removed....the footpaths and mountain bikeing trail will remain open during the closed season to motorists.... the forestry commision is already planning its replanting programme for the forests management. As one of the major tourist attractions in Caerphilly County there is no way that it will close on a permanent basis. As for those who complain about the £5 entry fee....its less than a packet of cigarettes.... and healthier...otherwis

e try walking it, its free...you will see more, and will get fitter in the process....
I think you'll find that it will be closed for 5 years at a minimum - not just for the "closure" season. as for the forestry commission planning it's replanting programm ............ all I've heard is that it will cost mega-bucks and they don't think they can find the funding anywhere. It's not that many years ago the there was a pot of money from some European funding and they didn't know where to spend it. I assume this has all been spent now??
naughty minnow says... The scenic drive will only be closed during the usual closed season...Oct to March/April... its essential for the diseased trees to be removed....the footpaths and mountain bikeing trail will remain open during the closed season to motorists.... the forestry commision is already planning its replanting programme for the forests management. As one of the major tourist attractions in Caerphilly County there is no way that it will close on a permanent basis. As for those who complain about the £5 entry fee....its less than a packet of cigarettes.... and healthier...otherwis e try walking it, its free...you will see more, and will get fitter in the process.... I think you'll find that it will be closed for 5 years at a minimum - not just for the "closure" season. as for the forestry commission planning it's replanting programm ............ all I've heard is that it will cost mega-bucks and they don't think they can find the funding anywhere. It's not that many years ago the there was a pot of money from some European funding and they didn't know where to spend it. I assume this has all been spent now?? ivor27
  • Score: 1

7:19pm Mon 19 May 14

bravoscar says...

The police were trying to catch them this weekend too to no avail.
I think I'm going to cancel my eurosport subscription buy some cans and sit and laugh every weekend.
Tickets are £5 each bring your own beer!
The police were trying to catch them this weekend too to no avail. I think I'm going to cancel my eurosport subscription buy some cans and sit and laugh every weekend. Tickets are £5 each bring your own beer! bravoscar
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Mon 19 May 14

bravoscar says...

Woodgnome wrote:
bravoscar wrote:
Carwyn Jones wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
There have been major problems with illegal off road biking
Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.
Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea.

I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems!
how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-)
Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing.
What happened to parenting?
What's parenting got to do with off road bikes?
I think your confused!
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bravoscar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carwyn Jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: There have been major problems with illegal off road biking[/p][/quote]Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.[/p][/quote]Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea. I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems! how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-) Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing.[/p][/quote]What happened to parenting?[/p][/quote]What's parenting got to do with off road bikes? I think your confused! bravoscar
  • Score: 0

7:46pm Mon 19 May 14

Woodgnome says...

bravoscar wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
bravoscar wrote:
Carwyn Jones wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
There have been major problems with illegal off road biking
Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.
Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea.

I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems!
how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-)
Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing.
What happened to parenting?
What's parenting got to do with off road bikes?
I think your confused!
If you don't understand that simple observation is it really any wonder we have the behaviour of kids running amok on off road bikes? Somebody else's fault other than the parents I suppose?
[quote][p][bold]bravoscar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bravoscar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carwyn Jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: There have been major problems with illegal off road biking[/p][/quote]Top-notch, Bob. We are currently in the process of executing the blighters. Stand by for further information.[/p][/quote]Maybe somewhere for the blighters to go would be great idea. I watched the police chase two lads around all last weekend police vans, cars, they were even on off-road bikes they still couldn't catch them? Abercarn we have some talented riders it seems! how much did that cost the tax payer ? although it did give me a great laugh watching the kaos :-) Instead the poor kids hang around kicking stones about because the places were they could have fun are all closing.[/p][/quote]What happened to parenting?[/p][/quote]What's parenting got to do with off road bikes? I think your confused![/p][/quote]If you don't understand that simple observation is it really any wonder we have the behaviour of kids running amok on off road bikes? Somebody else's fault other than the parents I suppose? Woodgnome
  • Score: 2

10:40am Thu 22 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

There really are some pathetic petty ignorant people on here.

What a lot of them don't realise is that there are thousands of legal "green lanes" that run all over the countryside in the UK.

Don't tar the legal law abiding off road riders with the same brush as some local chav who probably stole his bike anyway.

Unless you are aware of the location of all the legal routes, don't make accusations of law breaking and stick to your childish arguments about the glebelands.
There really are some pathetic petty ignorant people on here. What a lot of them don't realise is that there are thousands of legal "green lanes" that run all over the countryside in the UK. Don't tar the legal law abiding off road riders with the same brush as some local chav who probably stole his bike anyway. Unless you are aware of the location of all the legal routes, don't make accusations of law breaking and stick to your childish arguments about the glebelands. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 0

11:06am Thu 22 May 14

maggiesian says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
There really are some pathetic petty ignorant people on here.

What a lot of them don't realise is that there are thousands of legal "green lanes" that run all over the countryside in the UK.

Don't tar the legal law abiding off road riders with the same brush as some local chav who probably stole his bike anyway.

Unless you are aware of the location of all the legal routes, don't make accusations of law breaking and stick to your childish arguments about the glebelands.
Many of the off-roaders do not know where the green lanes are and of course many do not care. The track leading from Twmbarlwm along the ridge all the way to the top of the Pant is not a Byway Open to All Traffic (BOAT) and yet when I take photos of four wheel drive vehicles, quad bikes and scrambler bikes using this track, the riders without fail assure me that it is. Whilst there are many would be law abiding riders, their ignorance of Ordinance Survey maps often means that they end up breaking the law and tend to become threatening to boot!
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: There really are some pathetic petty ignorant people on here. What a lot of them don't realise is that there are thousands of legal "green lanes" that run all over the countryside in the UK. Don't tar the legal law abiding off road riders with the same brush as some local chav who probably stole his bike anyway. Unless you are aware of the location of all the legal routes, don't make accusations of law breaking and stick to your childish arguments about the glebelands.[/p][/quote]Many of the off-roaders do not know where the green lanes are and of course many do not care. The track leading from Twmbarlwm along the ridge all the way to the top of the Pant is not a Byway Open to All Traffic (BOAT) and yet when I take photos of four wheel drive vehicles, quad bikes and scrambler bikes using this track, the riders without fail assure me that it is. Whilst there are many would be law abiding riders, their ignorance of Ordinance Survey maps often means that they end up breaking the law and tend to become threatening to boot! maggiesian
  • Score: 2

11:11am Thu 22 May 14

maggiesian says...

Will the truck that takes cyclists up so that they can use the fast downhill tracks still be using the roads? If so, why can't the roads be open for other vehicles?
Will the truck that takes cyclists up so that they can use the fast downhill tracks still be using the roads? If so, why can't the roads be open for other vehicles? maggiesian
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Thu 22 May 14

ivor27 says...

Yes, I believe the 'bus' that carried 20 or so passengers and therefore 20 or so expensive bikes will still be able to go up and down on the road. However, these roads will not be suitable for the general public??? Something doesn't seem right here. I expect in 5 years time (or however long it takes to remove all of the diseased trees) the scenic drive will just be a glorified bike track. It's a good job that those of us who are old enough to know, have had over 40 years of pleasure out of the scenic drive.
Yes, I believe the 'bus' that carried 20 or so passengers and therefore 20 or so expensive bikes will still be able to go up and down on the road. However, these roads will not be suitable for the general public??? Something doesn't seem right here. I expect in 5 years time (or however long it takes to remove all of the diseased trees) the scenic drive will just be a glorified bike track. It's a good job that those of us who are old enough to know, have had over 40 years of pleasure out of the scenic drive. ivor27
  • Score: 2

6:42pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Kirkos73 says...

Can't say that i'm bothered if the Scenic Drive closes, I used to enjoy camping on the site but the number of pitches have been reduced AND it has been taken over by Mountain Bikers. The Drive itself, £5 to drive through a forest!!! Pay and Display meters to park on a reclaimed Colliery Site!!!
Easy maths, Save my £5 and Parking, money i've saved from camping on
Gravel and drive down to the Gower!!
Chop the trees down and get Wimpey homes up there!
Can't say that i'm bothered if the Scenic Drive closes, I used to enjoy camping on the site but the number of pitches have been reduced AND it has been taken over by Mountain Bikers. The Drive itself, £5 to drive through a forest!!! Pay and Display meters to park on a reclaimed Colliery Site!!! Easy maths, Save my £5 and Parking, money i've saved from camping on Gravel and drive down to the Gower!! Chop the trees down and get Wimpey homes up there! Kirkos73
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8:04am Tue 3 Jun 14

ivor27 says...

Nice one Kirkos73, cos petrol is free and there's no parking charges down the Gower, is there??? People with your attitude are not wanted up the Scenic Drive anyway.
I think the Drive should not close. I can understand why it needs to close whilst the work is being done but I think 5 years plus is excessive. Once the work is finished, the drive must reopen and hopefully attract the increasing number of visitors that have been visiting for the last 40 years.
Nice one Kirkos73, cos petrol is free and there's no parking charges down the Gower, is there??? People with your attitude are not wanted up the Scenic Drive anyway. I think the Drive should not close. I can understand why it needs to close whilst the work is being done but I think 5 years plus is excessive. Once the work is finished, the drive must reopen and hopefully attract the increasing number of visitors that have been visiting for the last 40 years. ivor27
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6:56pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Kirkos73 says...

Well done ivor27!!!! You sound like a right Diva when you're hungry!!! Why should I pay to park next to a pond?! When I can look out over Three Cliffs Bay! And of course, I never pay for my parking,as I display zmy 'Firs Responder'
Well done ivor27!!!! You sound like a right Diva when you're hungry!!! Why should I pay to park next to a pond?! When I can look out over Three Cliffs Bay! And of course, I never pay for my parking,as I display zmy 'Firs Responder' Kirkos73
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7:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Kirkos73 says...

Sorry about the post above, I sent the comment without finishing!
I just wanted to finish by saying that I never pay for parking at the Gower due to a few little perks of my job.
Sorry about the post above, I sent the comment without finishing! I just wanted to finish by saying that I never pay for parking at the Gower due to a few little perks of my job. Kirkos73
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