Thousands of Gwent workers to walk out on strike

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MORE than 18,000 Gwent union members are set to strike on Thursday, including teachers, fire fighters, dinner ladies and local government workers, in various disputes over pay and pensions.

Bin collections are set to be missed and burials moved to different days as an estimated two million union members will strike in what the GMB are describing as the second biggest union walk out ever across Wales, England and Northern Ireland.

Most Gwent schools are predicted to shut on Thursday due to the mass joint action by members of the National Union of Teachers (NUT), Unison, Unite, the Fire Brigade's Union, the Public and Commercial Services (PCS) Union and the GMB.

Firefighters will walk out between 10am and 7pm on July 10.

Many public sector workers, such as those in local government, are protesting against what they describe as an "insulting" one per cent pay rise offer, while the likes of the NUT oppose cuts to existing pay and pensions.

Glasllwch Primary and St Julian's School in Newport, Abertillery Comprehensive and Risca Comprehensive School have already informed parents they will be closing for the day due to staff shortages, although organised trips will still go ahead.

Newport High School will be closed to Years 11, 12 and 13 but will remain open for Years 7, 8 and 9, while Llanwern High School will be open to Years 9, 10 and 12 only.

Torfaen council has warned that negotiations between employers and trade unions are ongoing and changes could happen right up until the day of the strike.

A spokesman said: "Negotiations with the trade unions are ongoing for employees delivering ‘life and limb’ council services such as personal care, protection of vulnerable children and adults and meals on wheels to receive exemption from the industrial action and it is expected these services will operate as normal."

Pontypool's Civic Centre is likely will be open for staff but residents are advised to phone ahead before trying to visit and any payments should be made online or in advance.

Leisure services transferred to the Torfaen Leisure Trust will not be affected.

Dominic MacAskill, local government officer for Unison based in Swansea, said they have around 12,000 members in Gwent and predicted a further 6,000 to strike from Unite, the GMB and the NUT.

No rallies are planned in Gwent, with the nearest being in Cardiff, although pickets are expected around local government offices.

More than one union has told the Argus they expect most schools to be closed - with teachers, caretakers, support staff and dinner ladies all off.

Mr MacAskill said this was the biggest strike he could remember since mass action three years ago by health and local government workers over pensions.

Unite national officer for local government Fiona Farmer said the aim is to get employers back round the table to negotiate what she describes as a fair deal for workers, namely a £1 an hour pay rise for local council staff.

Owen Hathway, policy officer for NUT Wales said striking members will sacrifice a day’s pay and pension and the decision "was not taken lightly".

GMB national secretary, Brian Strutton said his members voted three to one in favour of strike action.

"We have tried sensible discussions, we've sought to negotiate reasonably...but to everything we've tried the employers have said "no"," he said. "So we have no choice."

He said that in October, the national minimum wage is predicted to overtake local authority pay scales.

Are you a parent? Have you had a letter from your child's school saying they will shut due to strike action? Let us know by leaving a comment below or e-mail newsdesk@southwalesargus.co.uk

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7:13am Mon 7 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!! scraptheWAG
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8:15am Mon 7 Jul 14

Raymond Luxury-Yacht says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Do not overrate what you have received, nor envy others. He who envies others does not obtain peace of mind.
Buddha
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Do not overrate what you have received, nor envy others. He who envies others does not obtain peace of mind. Buddha Raymond Luxury-Yacht
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8:26am Mon 7 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on.
How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out.
Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on.
Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing.
If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim.
I'm behind them every step of the way.
I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.
How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on. How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out. Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on. Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing. If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim. I'm behind them every step of the way. I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services. landyman3030
  • Score: 63

8:37am Mon 7 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

landyman3030 wrote:
How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on.
How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out.
Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on.
Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing.
If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim.
I'm behind them every step of the way.
I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.
yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on. How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out. Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on. Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing. If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim. I'm behind them every step of the way. I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.[/p][/quote]yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers. scraptheWAG
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8:52am Mon 7 Jul 14

BobEvams2014 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
I agree It is indeed appauling that some workers have fought for decent employment conditions which they want to protect.

When UKIP win the next General Election reports indicate that terms and condtions between Private, and Public Sectors will be harmonised - downwards of course. So everyone will have the same the condtions as the worst unscrupulous private sector employer.

This will of course please Scrap the Wag
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]I agree It is indeed appauling that some workers have fought for decent employment conditions which they want to protect. When UKIP win the next General Election reports indicate that terms and condtions between Private, and Public Sectors will be harmonised - downwards of course. So everyone will have the same the condtions as the worst unscrupulous private sector employer. This will of course please Scrap the Wag BobEvams2014
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9:00am Mon 7 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Rubbish put out by the unions. Stand outside the school gates and see how many are in before 0800. See them still there after 1700. Going home to mark and prepare lessons. This is fact not jackanory chum. Not all but most.
Is that 13 weeks holiday entitlement paid?
What about the constantly changing education policy decided by which way the wind is blowing today?
These people educate our children We should have the best people to do this and support them in their choice of profession by paying the way.
I get sick of this attitude that he's better off so i want him to come DOWN to my level. Ever thought about about trying to get us private workers UP to their level.
Everybody should be able to have sick pay, a company pension and job security in the 21st century. The tens of billions of pounds that were plundered from the pension pots by Gordon Brown took the buffer away for when times got hard.
He allowed all of the big companies to take out large chunks from the company schemes or just not contribute at all for years.
The taxation system where you pay tax twice for your pension is criminal.
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
Support the emergency services and your childs education.
Rubbish put out by the unions. Stand outside the school gates and see how many are in before 0800. See them still there after 1700. Going home to mark and prepare lessons. This is fact not jackanory chum. Not all but most. Is that 13 weeks holiday entitlement paid? What about the constantly changing education policy decided by which way the wind is blowing today? These people educate our children We should have the best people to do this and support them in their choice of profession by paying the way. I get sick of this attitude that he's better off so i want him to come DOWN to my level. Ever thought about about trying to get us private workers UP to their level. Everybody should be able to have sick pay, a company pension and job security in the 21st century. The tens of billions of pounds that were plundered from the pension pots by Gordon Brown took the buffer away for when times got hard. He allowed all of the big companies to take out large chunks from the company schemes or just not contribute at all for years. The taxation system where you pay tax twice for your pension is criminal. If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. Support the emergency services and your childs education. landyman3030
  • Score: 36

9:05am Mon 7 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
I agree It is indeed appauling that some workers have fought for decent employment conditions which they want to protect.

When UKIP win the next General Election reports indicate that terms and condtions between Private, and Public Sectors will be harmonised - downwards of course. So everyone will have the same the condtions as the worst unscrupulous private sector employer.

This will of course please Scrap the Wag
Reports from where Bob? Pop a link on so that we can all be enlightened. Been reading The Sun again have you?
Harmonised downwards eh. Of course? Your source must be impecable to make a statement like that.
Harmonised downwards is what they are trying to do now.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]I agree It is indeed appauling that some workers have fought for decent employment conditions which they want to protect. When UKIP win the next General Election reports indicate that terms and condtions between Private, and Public Sectors will be harmonised - downwards of course. So everyone will have the same the condtions as the worst unscrupulous private sector employer. This will of course please Scrap the Wag[/p][/quote]Reports from where Bob? Pop a link on so that we can all be enlightened. Been reading The Sun again have you? Harmonised downwards eh. Of course? Your source must be impecable to make a statement like that. Harmonised downwards is what they are trying to do now. landyman3030
  • Score: 6

9:49am Mon 7 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Well I'm behind the strikers all the way. How many Teachers have been stabbed , attacked and even killed over the course of this year alone. I wouldn't be a Teacher in a Comprehensive for all the tea in china!! Long hours, curriculum planning, reports, unruly children but even worse, unruly parents. Our dinner ladies, rubbish men etc are the people who keep the wheels of this country moving and yet some of them are on less than minimum wage as school holidays are not paid holidays but are paid pro rata, this includes teaching assistants who lookk after the welfare of our children everyday. Good luck to them all I say.
Well I'm behind the strikers all the way. How many Teachers have been stabbed , attacked and even killed over the course of this year alone. I wouldn't be a Teacher in a Comprehensive for all the tea in china!! Long hours, curriculum planning, reports, unruly children but even worse, unruly parents. Our dinner ladies, rubbish men etc are the people who keep the wheels of this country moving and yet some of them are on less than minimum wage as school holidays are not paid holidays but are paid pro rata, this includes teaching assistants who lookk after the welfare of our children everyday. Good luck to them all I say. endthelies
  • Score: 50

9:51am Mon 7 Jul 14

brainfreeze says...

A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on.
A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on. brainfreeze
  • Score: 58

10:21am Mon 7 Jul 14

Walter Devereux says...

BobEvams2014 is a comedy account. Do not take him seriously!
BobEvams2014 is a comedy account. Do not take him seriously! Walter Devereux
  • Score: 12

10:33am Mon 7 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"Thousands of Gwent workers to walk out on strike "Shall we say "employees"? Having a contract of employment is verifiable. Some employees in the public sector put in the hours they're paid for and some don't. I have been employed in "nationalised" industry and the Civil Service as well as being self-employed and employed in the commercial sector. The picture is varied but using "worker" to exclude, for example, the self-employed is downright stupid.
"Thousands of Gwent workers to walk out on strike "Shall we say "employees"? Having a contract of employment is verifiable. Some employees in the public sector put in the hours they're paid for and some don't. I have been employed in "nationalised" industry and the Civil Service as well as being self-employed and employed in the commercial sector. The picture is varied but using "worker" to exclude, for example, the self-employed is downright stupid. Dai Rear
  • Score: -25

10:48am Mon 7 Jul 14

Abertillery29 says...

I am surprised that no one has pointed out that most pensions are being devauled e.g. by having to work longer to get them except for those relating to MPs, AMPs, MEPs et al - all of who get marvellous pensions even if they only serve for one term of office. Whilst I'm about it what about councillors?
I am surprised that no one has pointed out that most pensions are being devauled e.g. by having to work longer to get them except for those relating to MPs, AMPs, MEPs et al - all of who get marvellous pensions even if they only serve for one term of office. Whilst I'm about it what about councillors? Abertillery29
  • Score: 32

10:52am Mon 7 Jul 14

welshannie says...

ime behind them all the way'many of them are on minimum wage why should they.if they dont stand up for themselves they will only end up like the rest of the workforce in this country zero hours contracts no decent pensions and on minimum wages.the sooner we get rid of this co illition of inept idiots the better.a fair days pay for all and a decent pension is not much to ask for, when the government of millionaires and bankers get massive wages and bonuses while most people struggle.
ime behind them all the way'many of them are on minimum wage why should they.if they dont stand up for themselves they will only end up like the rest of the workforce in this country zero hours contracts no decent pensions and on minimum wages.the sooner we get rid of this co illition of inept idiots the better.a fair days pay for all and a decent pension is not much to ask for, when the government of millionaires and bankers get massive wages and bonuses while most people struggle. welshannie
  • Score: 27

11:09am Mon 7 Jul 14

welshmen says...

I wish them all the best for their strike and protests....
I wish them all the best for their strike and protests.... welshmen
  • Score: 29

11:22am Mon 7 Jul 14

displayed says...

:GMB national secretary, Brian Strutton said his members voted three to one in favour of strike action."
When, hes been planning this for months;

10 March 2014

LOCAL GOVERNMENT PAY IS NOT ENOUGH AND IT’S TIME TO TAKE ACTION

While pleading poverty, Councils have squirrelled away £2.6 billion in reserves in the last year alone!

Did you know that –

Local government is the lowest paid in the whole public sector
Since 2010 local government pay has fallen 18% behind the cost of living.
Over 500,000 local government staff earn less than the Living Wage
The local government pay bill has fallen by 23% in the last two years.

There have been 440,000 job losses and the people left have had to pick up more work as a result.

The facts speak for themselves. Everyone working in schools and local authorities have a clear, justified case for a decent pay rise and the trade union claim for £1 an hour increase is fair and affordable.

But the employers have said they will only put a 1% pot on the table and they want to take some of that to meet their statutory obligation to pay the National Minimum Wage – incidentally, isn’t it appalling that councils have let pay slip so badly that we have public servants on the minimum wage? The net result would be that the pay offer for 2014 would be less than 1%.

Unless we do something about it.

First, we have to say loud and clear that this is totally unacceptable.

Then, we have to show that we are prepared to take action.

This is a difficult course. Nobody wants to take action that will put their service users or the children they support to any inconvenience. But if we don’t act we will be consigning hundreds of thousands of school and council staff to low pay for years to come. And unless staff are treated fairly the long term consequences for those very services will be worse.

There are two simple things you can do to help and they will only take a few minutes of your time. One is to complete our short survey to say what you think about the pay situation. You can do this online at https://www.surveymo
nkey.com/s/GMBLocalG
ovPay2014. , or by using the form attached to this bulletin. The other is to talk to your work colleagues who may not be union members and explain why pay is an issue that everyone should be working together on. If you want to have more information about helping other colleagues join GMB please let me know using localgovpay@gmb.org.
uk

These simple steps will make a big difference. Please take them to support GMBs campaign to get you a fair pay settlement for 2014.

Brian Strutton

Brian Strutton

National Secretary - Public Services Section

Join GMB at www.gmb.org.uk/join

GMB NATIONAL OFFICE CONTACT: Brian Strutton

22 Stephenson Way, Euston, London NW1 2HD Tel: 020 8971 4255 Fax: 020 8944 6552

www.gmb.org.uk email: brian.strutton@gmb.o
rg.uk

If you want companies to bring in even more stringent rules and regs, just go on strike and see the results.............
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:GMB national secretary, Brian Strutton said his members voted three to one in favour of strike action." When, hes been planning this for months; 10 March 2014 LOCAL GOVERNMENT PAY IS NOT ENOUGH AND IT’S TIME TO TAKE ACTION While pleading poverty, Councils have squirrelled away £2.6 billion in reserves in the last year alone! Did you know that – Local government is the lowest paid in the whole public sector Since 2010 local government pay has fallen 18% behind the cost of living. Over 500,000 local government staff earn less than the Living Wage The local government pay bill has fallen by 23% in the last two years. There have been 440,000 job losses and the people left have had to pick up more work as a result. The facts speak for themselves. Everyone working in schools and local authorities have a clear, justified case for a decent pay rise and the trade union claim for £1 an hour increase is fair and affordable. But the employers have said they will only put a 1% pot on the table and they want to take some of that to meet their statutory obligation to pay the National Minimum Wage – incidentally, isn’t it appalling that councils have let pay slip so badly that we have public servants on the minimum wage? The net result would be that the pay offer for 2014 would be less than 1%. Unless we do something about it. First, we have to say loud and clear that this is totally unacceptable. Then, we have to show that we are prepared to take action. This is a difficult course. Nobody wants to take action that will put their service users or the children they support to any inconvenience. But if we don’t act we will be consigning hundreds of thousands of school and council staff to low pay for years to come. And unless staff are treated fairly the long term consequences for those very services will be worse. There are two simple things you can do to help and they will only take a few minutes of your time. One is to complete our short survey to say what you think about the pay situation. You can do this online at https://www.surveymo nkey.com/s/GMBLocalG ovPay2014. , or by using the form attached to this bulletin. The other is to talk to your work colleagues who may not be union members and explain why pay is an issue that everyone should be working together on. If you want to have more information about helping other colleagues join GMB please let me know using localgovpay@gmb.org. uk These simple steps will make a big difference. Please take them to support GMBs campaign to get you a fair pay settlement for 2014. Brian Strutton Brian Strutton National Secretary - Public Services Section Join GMB at www.gmb.org.uk/join GMB NATIONAL OFFICE CONTACT: Brian Strutton 22 Stephenson Way, Euston, London NW1 2HD Tel: 020 8971 4255 Fax: 020 8944 6552 www.gmb.org.uk email: brian.strutton@gmb.o rg.uk If you want companies to bring in even more stringent rules and regs, just go on strike and see the results............. ............. displayed
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11:25am Mon 7 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
BobEvams2014 is a comedy account. Do not take him seriously!
Shouldn't a comedy account be funny? The posts are just repeated for every thread. KarloMarko is the genuine wit.
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: BobEvams2014 is a comedy account. Do not take him seriously![/p][/quote]Shouldn't a comedy account be funny? The posts are just repeated for every thread. KarloMarko is the genuine wit. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -13

11:41am Mon 7 Jul 14

Newsboy2013 says...

brainfreeze wrote:
A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on.
All public sector workers get living wage which is higher than minimum wage
[quote][p][bold]brainfreeze[/bold] wrote: A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on.[/p][/quote]All public sector workers get living wage which is higher than minimum wage Newsboy2013
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11:50am Mon 7 Jul 14

Newsboy2013 says...

All public sector workers are now on living wage whilst private workers get minimum wage and public sector workers ave the best sick pay and holiday entitlement and they will still retire early to enjoy there high pension whilst the private sector are told to work on to help pay cover the black hole.
All public sector workers are now on living wage whilst private workers get minimum wage and public sector workers ave the best sick pay and holiday entitlement and they will still retire early to enjoy there high pension whilst the private sector are told to work on to help pay cover the black hole. Newsboy2013
  • Score: -4

12:15pm Mon 7 Jul 14

thomas35 says...

At last a coordinated approach by the unions who represent thousands of people in all type of professions from the top to the bottom , who over the last seven years have seen their living standards drop , savings eroded , jobs disapear, jobs created with below the living wage ...lost generaton of youngsters (who if clever enough have not suffient backing to send them on to higher education because of the rise in fees)confined to a future of semi poverty ....and of no fault of their own .... I am not an anarchist , I see what is front of me , If a day of protest in any way can shake the arses in Westminter to bring them to their senses , then good luck those who are prepared to make a stance .. no matter how small.!
At last a coordinated approach by the unions who represent thousands of people in all type of professions from the top to the bottom , who over the last seven years have seen their living standards drop , savings eroded , jobs disapear, jobs created with below the living wage ...lost generaton of youngsters (who if clever enough have not suffient backing to send them on to higher education because of the rise in fees)confined to a future of semi poverty ....and of no fault of their own .... I am not an anarchist , I see what is front of me , If a day of protest in any way can shake the arses in Westminter to bring them to their senses , then good luck those who are prepared to make a stance .. no matter how small.! thomas35
  • Score: 25

12:37pm Mon 7 Jul 14

golfer says...

Another pointless action to he taken ..do let me know if you get any results ..don't think so ..
Another pointless action to he taken ..do let me know if you get any results ..don't think so .. golfer
  • Score: -18

1:04pm Mon 7 Jul 14

ivor27 says...

I have not had a pay rise for over 5 years. I'm grateful I have a job - more pay would be nice but at least I'm employed.

The bit I don't understand in this is that teachers etc., can go on strike on Thursday and that's ok. Working parents have to make alternive arrangements, or have a day off work, etc. But, if children are taken out of school for a holiday during term time, the parents are going to be fined. It appears to be ok to disrupt everyone (because this strike will affect everyone) but a child can't go on holiday during school time, only when it's school holidays and the holiday prices are sky high.
I have not had a pay rise for over 5 years. I'm grateful I have a job - more pay would be nice but at least I'm employed. The bit I don't understand in this is that teachers etc., can go on strike on Thursday and that's ok. Working parents have to make alternive arrangements, or have a day off work, etc. But, if children are taken out of school for a holiday during term time, the parents are going to be fined. It appears to be ok to disrupt everyone (because this strike will affect everyone) but a child can't go on holiday during school time, only when it's school holidays and the holiday prices are sky high. ivor27
  • Score: 7

1:19pm Mon 7 Jul 14

anigel says...

ivor27 wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for over 5 years. I'm grateful I have a job - more pay would be nice but at least I'm employed.

The bit I don't understand in this is that teachers etc., can go on strike on Thursday and that's ok. Working parents have to make alternive arrangements, or have a day off work, etc. But, if children are taken out of school for a holiday during term time, the parents are going to be fined. It appears to be ok to disrupt everyone (because this strike will affect everyone) but a child can't go on holiday during school time, only when it's school holidays and the holiday prices are sky high.
Of course Ivor because as with the public sector it is always a case of "Do as you are told and we will do whatever the hell we want". Education is so important that you are not allowed to interrupt it then surely teachers should be held to that exact same standard.

Dunno about a pay freeze, at this rate they will have to take a pay cut as the private sector workers who are trying to actually earn the money, that pays the taxes that, pay their wages keep on having to take time off from earning that money in order to let these "privileged and entitled" public sector workers keep taking time off at the drop of a hat, for yet another petty little hold the country to ransom session.
[quote][p][bold]ivor27[/bold] wrote: I have not had a pay rise for over 5 years. I'm grateful I have a job - more pay would be nice but at least I'm employed. The bit I don't understand in this is that teachers etc., can go on strike on Thursday and that's ok. Working parents have to make alternive arrangements, or have a day off work, etc. But, if children are taken out of school for a holiday during term time, the parents are going to be fined. It appears to be ok to disrupt everyone (because this strike will affect everyone) but a child can't go on holiday during school time, only when it's school holidays and the holiday prices are sky high.[/p][/quote]Of course Ivor because as with the public sector it is always a case of "Do as you are told and we will do whatever the hell we want". Education is so important that you are not allowed to interrupt it then surely teachers should be held to that exact same standard. Dunno about a pay freeze, at this rate they will have to take a pay cut as the private sector workers who are trying to actually earn the money, that pays the taxes that, pay their wages keep on having to take time off from earning that money in order to let these "privileged and entitled" public sector workers keep taking time off at the drop of a hat, for yet another petty little hold the country to ransom session. anigel
  • Score: -12

1:44pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Public sector up the soap box for a whinge again. If you don't like it, do something else if your actually qualified to do anything (else).

Our schools are the worst in the uk and the teachers want a pay rise? Cut the 13 weeks off to 4 and maybe we'll think about it, maybe then we'll have literate pupils too.
Public sector up the soap box for a whinge again. If you don't like it, do something else if your actually qualified to do anything (else). Our schools are the worst in the uk and the teachers want a pay rise? Cut the 13 weeks off to 4 and maybe we'll think about it, maybe then we'll have literate pupils too. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -22

2:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Floppy backed says...

Not all teachers put in 12 hr days and this is from a family of infant/junior teachers. They go in 8.30 and are usually out by 4. Yes working long hrs on the odd occasion but def not a 12hr day in I have to say is what many people do in the private sector with commuting over 2hrs per day and 9hrs in the office! Perhaps the public sector could save money by ditching persistent sickies and those who turn up do adequate work then go home. I would recommend outsourcing HR to a private contractor who could save them millions in those who think its their human right to have all the perks. Sometimes some people dont realise who good it is - what is the option - leave? no they dont because its tough out there. No employer offers the perks of flexi hrs, sick pay, pension, holidays. They should think themselves lucky to have a decent job that pays and doesnt go 'bust' or fold.

Firemen dont have it that bad I dont know one that doesnt have a second job. The overtime rates are fantastic and those lucky to be chosen to be in-house at the Celtic over the Nato week will be paid enormously well thanks to the hardworking tax payers.

What people have to remember is that the money has to come from somewhere its not floating around in a lovely rich pot - it will have to come from all the tax payers and if the money is not there then you cant have, The luxury days of the public sector have gone it has to get into the real word of commerce - there isnt the money in the pot. Why should those who work hard see all their taxes ploughed into endless public workers while the rest are struggling. The world is changing, the economy has changed belts have to be tightened. No one I know has it easy so better the devil you know.
Not all teachers put in 12 hr days and this is from a family of infant/junior teachers. They go in 8.30 and are usually out by 4. Yes working long hrs on the odd occasion but def not a 12hr day in I have to say is what many people do in the private sector with commuting over 2hrs per day and 9hrs in the office! Perhaps the public sector could save money by ditching persistent sickies and those who turn up do adequate work then go home. I would recommend outsourcing HR to a private contractor who could save them millions in those who think its their human right to have all the perks. Sometimes some people dont realise who good it is - what is the option - leave? no they dont because its tough out there. No employer offers the perks of flexi hrs, sick pay, pension, holidays. They should think themselves lucky to have a decent job that pays and doesnt go 'bust' or fold. Firemen dont have it that bad I dont know one that doesnt have a second job. The overtime rates are fantastic and those lucky to be chosen to be in-house at the Celtic over the Nato week will be paid enormously well thanks to the hardworking tax payers. What people have to remember is that the money has to come from somewhere its not floating around in a lovely rich pot - it will have to come from all the tax payers and if the money is not there then you cant have, The luxury days of the public sector have gone it has to get into the real word of commerce - there isnt the money in the pot. Why should those who work hard see all their taxes ploughed into endless public workers while the rest are struggling. The world is changing, the economy has changed belts have to be tightened. No one I know has it easy so better the devil you know. Floppy backed
  • Score: -16

2:25pm Mon 7 Jul 14

thomas35 says...

If the public sector did not come together and protest .. what could we expect from the private sector to undo the wrongs that all peoplehave been subjected to? The factor that this argument between private and public sectors is in being is just what the big fat employers want .. look to the cause ... The banks with their irresponsible lending which is still going on in the shape very high interest rates on credit cards,payday loans etc .
I am afraid i cannot see any improvement in the near future and fear for the young people coming along ...sorry for the doom and gloom, but I have seen the good times with plenty of work and good pay and above all a sense of good will which is diminishing!!!...pas
s the tablets???
If the public sector did not come together and protest .. what could we expect from the private sector to undo the wrongs that all peoplehave been subjected to? The factor that this argument between private and public sectors is in being is just what the big fat employers want .. look to the cause ... The banks with their irresponsible lending which is still going on in the shape very high interest rates on credit cards,payday loans etc . I am afraid i cannot see any improvement in the near future and fear for the young people coming along ...sorry for the doom and gloom, but I have seen the good times with plenty of work and good pay and above all a sense of good will which is diminishing!!!...pas s the tablets??? thomas35
  • Score: 20

2:42pm Mon 7 Jul 14

kez1968 says...

Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want???
Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want??? kez1968
  • Score: -8

2:48pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Javez says...

Newsboy2013 wrote:
brainfreeze wrote: A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on.
All public sector workers get living wage which is higher than minimum wage
Utterly incorrect.

Living wage has been adopted by a lot of private sector companies (SSE, Aviva, Barclays, Pearson, and Legal & General) but only a few public sector local authorities, such as Cardiff, Birmingham and Newcastle. Add that tot he fact that a lot of government offices are now utilising agency staff (over 50% of the Prison Service in Newport) who are on well below living wage with no contract of employment, no sick pay and no notice fo temination of contract, and you're just plain wrong.

I think the problem is that goverment workers used to have a great deal. Around a decade or two ago. These days, if you don't include the Senior Civil Service ie upper management, then private sector workers get considerably better wages.....
[quote][p][bold]Newsboy2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brainfreeze[/bold] wrote: A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on.[/p][/quote]All public sector workers get living wage which is higher than minimum wage[/p][/quote]Utterly incorrect. Living wage has been adopted by a lot of private sector companies (SSE, Aviva, Barclays, Pearson, and Legal & General) but only a few public sector local authorities, such as Cardiff, Birmingham and Newcastle. Add that tot he fact that a lot of government offices are now utilising agency staff (over 50% of the Prison Service in Newport) who are on well below living wage with no contract of employment, no sick pay and no notice fo temination of contract, and you're just plain wrong. I think the problem is that goverment workers used to have a great deal. Around a decade or two ago. These days, if you don't include the Senior Civil Service ie upper management, then private sector workers get considerably better wages..... Javez
  • Score: 20

3:07pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Newportg says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on.
How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out.
Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on.
Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing.
If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim.
I'm behind them every step of the way.
I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.
yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.
What a load of garbage. I was a school governor and when I attended meetings at 6 or 7 at night teachers were still about. They put in excessive hours and then take work home to mark!!!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on. How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out. Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on. Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing. If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim. I'm behind them every step of the way. I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.[/p][/quote]yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.[/p][/quote]What a load of garbage. I was a school governor and when I attended meetings at 6 or 7 at night teachers were still about. They put in excessive hours and then take work home to mark!!! Newportg
  • Score: 15

4:41pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Sing up for the amber boys says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Yes - let's believe and spout all the propoganda in the Daily Mail and make civil servants scape goats for all the ills in the economy. It was the fault of the nurses, the fire service and the teachers for the economic crisis in 2008 after all. You've got a big mis informed mouth and a small brain
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Yes - let's believe and spout all the propoganda in the Daily Mail and make civil servants scape goats for all the ills in the economy. It was the fault of the nurses, the fire service and the teachers for the economic crisis in 2008 after all. You've got a big mis informed mouth and a small brain Sing up for the amber boys
  • Score: 25

5:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

welshmen says...

kez1968 wrote:
Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want???
With respect Kez, who do we owe the National debt too?....names please....or is it just digital debt, and the interest we pay to these no names is real money....
[quote][p][bold]kez1968[/bold] wrote: Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want???[/p][/quote]With respect Kez, who do we owe the National debt too?....names please....or is it just digital debt, and the interest we pay to these no names is real money.... welshmen
  • Score: -24

5:13pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

welshmen wrote:
kez1968 wrote:
Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want???
With respect Kez, who do we owe the National debt too?....names please....or is it just digital debt, and the interest we pay to these no names is real money....
You could ask Greece or Cyprus the answer to that one. In Greek hospitals they are reusing bandages. That ain't because their debt is 'digital'.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kez1968[/bold] wrote: Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want???[/p][/quote]With respect Kez, who do we owe the National debt too?....names please....or is it just digital debt, and the interest we pay to these no names is real money....[/p][/quote]You could ask Greece or Cyprus the answer to that one. In Greek hospitals they are reusing bandages. That ain't because their debt is 'digital'. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -9

5:15pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Sing up for the amber boys wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Yes - let's believe and spout all the propoganda in the Daily Mail and make civil servants scape goats for all the ills in the economy. It was the fault of the nurses, the fire service and the teachers for the economic crisis in 2008 after all. You've got a big mis informed mouth and a small brain
Except that Doctors, Nurses and Teachers are always the ones mentioned. They made a tiny proportion of the public sector workers recruited by the last government. WAG now employs 6000 and took on 400 more last year alone.
[quote][p][bold]Sing up for the amber boys[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Yes - let's believe and spout all the propoganda in the Daily Mail and make civil servants scape goats for all the ills in the economy. It was the fault of the nurses, the fire service and the teachers for the economic crisis in 2008 after all. You've got a big mis informed mouth and a small brain[/p][/quote]Except that Doctors, Nurses and Teachers are always the ones mentioned. They made a tiny proportion of the public sector workers recruited by the last government. WAG now employs 6000 and took on 400 more last year alone. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -26

5:18pm Mon 7 Jul 14

On the inside says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
No you idiot YOU are the one in the wrong. If you are so stupid that you allow your employer to pay you less, give you worse terms and conditions, and generally treat you like a slave, then you deserve all you get.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]No you idiot YOU are the one in the wrong. If you are so stupid that you allow your employer to pay you less, give you worse terms and conditions, and generally treat you like a slave, then you deserve all you get. On the inside
  • Score: 11

5:28pm Mon 7 Jul 14

endthelies says...

kez1968 wrote:
Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want???
Stop overseas aid payments

Limit politicians 'expenses' (and I'm not talking about genuine travel expenses etc but when the tax payer is paying for them to have a nice second home which they can rent out or give to family members)

Stop their austerity measures which are actually costing this country millions more in tax payments than previously.

Stop wasting the public purse on unwanted statues etc.

Help to generate 'real' incomes so that people can actually have some disposable income to spend to boost the economy. I suggest looking at the job situations first. Part time and zero hours and not good for most folk and require top ups from the benefit system.

VOTE FOR ME IN 2015 ;-)
[quote][p][bold]kez1968[/bold] wrote: Now everybody on here as said there piece, just like to point out we are a trillion pounds in debt,so how are we going to pay the public sector what they want???[/p][/quote]Stop overseas aid payments Limit politicians 'expenses' (and I'm not talking about genuine travel expenses etc but when the tax payer is paying for them to have a nice second home which they can rent out or give to family members) Stop their austerity measures which are actually costing this country millions more in tax payments than previously. Stop wasting the public purse on unwanted statues etc. Help to generate 'real' incomes so that people can actually have some disposable income to spend to boost the economy. I suggest looking at the job situations first. Part time and zero hours and not good for most folk and require top ups from the benefit system. VOTE FOR ME IN 2015 ;-) endthelies
  • Score: 10

5:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

jimmysmith says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
you should join the real world and stop spouting so much nonsense .more power to the workers and the unions pal and good for these people .its a great pity no one came out with the miners .because this country wouldnt be the toilet it is now if they had
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]you should join the real world and stop spouting so much nonsense .more power to the workers and the unions pal and good for these people .its a great pity no one came out with the miners .because this country wouldnt be the toilet it is now if they had jimmysmith
  • Score: 35

5:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Ringland Boy says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow. Ringland Boy
  • Score: 47

5:47pm Mon 7 Jul 14

gingertom says...

Unions look after themselves and no one else.
My experience of GMB and Unison were that they played golf with bosses, cutting deals that were useless to members and as long as the Reps were okay then it was tough luck for the rest of the members.
Unions look after themselves and no one else. My experience of GMB and Unison were that they played golf with bosses, cutting deals that were useless to members and as long as the Reps were okay then it was tough luck for the rest of the members. gingertom
  • Score: -2

6:01pm Mon 7 Jul 14

westender says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
An almost illiterate poster!! , how novel, punctuation and grammar not your strongest points?.
unlike whinging and whining, bet the professor is glad he's not your neighbour now!!!!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]An almost illiterate poster!! , how novel, punctuation and grammar not your strongest points?. unlike whinging and whining, bet the professor is glad he's not your neighbour now!!!! westender
  • Score: 1

6:03pm Mon 7 Jul 14

endthelies says...

jimmysmith wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
you should join the real world and stop spouting so much nonsense .more power to the workers and the unions pal and good for these people .its a great pity no one came out with the miners .because this country wouldnt be the toilet it is now if they had
I couldn't agree with you more jimmysmith. And eroded workers rights ever since and, lets be honest, mostly succeeded. Now you can't even take your employer to a tribunal without paying a hefty cost first. Money that most people haven't got and the government know it! I think ALL workers deserve a decent wage, working conditions and rights at work. But you have to be prepared to fight whether you are public, or private sector. If the people in the private sector choose not to join a union and fight for their rights, then so be it, but let those who want to stand up for themselves do so. It is their right as it is everyone's. (p.s when I said vote for me in my previous post, I was only joking. I am not a politician, council member, union official or anything in that vein whatsoever) :)
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]you should join the real world and stop spouting so much nonsense .more power to the workers and the unions pal and good for these people .its a great pity no one came out with the miners .because this country wouldnt be the toilet it is now if they had[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree with you more jimmysmith. And eroded workers rights ever since and, lets be honest, mostly succeeded. Now you can't even take your employer to a tribunal without paying a hefty cost first. Money that most people haven't got and the government know it! I think ALL workers deserve a decent wage, working conditions and rights at work. But you have to be prepared to fight whether you are public, or private sector. If the people in the private sector choose not to join a union and fight for their rights, then so be it, but let those who want to stand up for themselves do so. It is their right as it is everyone's. (p.s when I said vote for me in my previous post, I was only joking. I am not a politician, council member, union official or anything in that vein whatsoever) :) endthelies
  • Score: 24

6:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes
since the long depression of the 1870s year after year we are seeing falling falling
wages. However despite Labours National message of improving things there are areas on a local level where Labour councillors are directly to Blame for falling wages and Labour councillors out for their own glorification are actually doing more harm than good!!
Yes you for one Mr Brooks.
I wont be striking even though my heart says I should.
And I wont be voting Labour locally even though I hope Ed Milliband wins the next election.
Local Torfaen councillors hang your heads in shame because your not true to the roots you say you support and your not able to deliver in your own backyard.
Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s year after year we are seeing falling falling wages. However despite Labours National message of improving things there are areas on a local level where Labour councillors are directly to Blame for falling wages and Labour councillors out for their own glorification are actually doing more harm than good!! Yes you for one Mr Brooks. I wont be striking even though my heart says I should. And I wont be voting Labour locally even though I hope Ed Milliband wins the next election. Local Torfaen councillors hang your heads in shame because your not true to the roots you say you support and your not able to deliver in your own backyard. letsgobarbie
  • Score: 29

6:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on.
How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out.
Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on.
Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing.
If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim.
I'm behind them every step of the way.
I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.
yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.
You don't want to be near a school at finishing time. The teachers are the first to race out of the school
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on. How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out. Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on. Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing. If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim. I'm behind them every step of the way. I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.[/p][/quote]yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.[/p][/quote]You don't want to be near a school at finishing time. The teachers are the first to race out of the school Bobevans
  • Score: -12

6:46pm Mon 7 Jul 14

anigel says...

Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
[quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said anigel
  • Score: -12

6:48pm Mon 7 Jul 14

anigel says...

gingertom wrote:
Unions look after themselves and no one else.
My experience of GMB and Unison were that they played golf with bosses, cutting deals that were useless to members and as long as the Reps were okay then it was tough luck for the rest of the members.
You only have to look at how successful the unions were at ensuring the mines stayed economical, manufacturing and dock work. Over the years they have bled their members, and the country, dry and put them out of work by making it completely uneconomical; to continue to employ their members.
[quote][p][bold]gingertom[/bold] wrote: Unions look after themselves and no one else. My experience of GMB and Unison were that they played golf with bosses, cutting deals that were useless to members and as long as the Reps were okay then it was tough luck for the rest of the members.[/p][/quote]You only have to look at how successful the unions were at ensuring the mines stayed economical, manufacturing and dock work. Over the years they have bled their members, and the country, dry and put them out of work by making it completely uneconomical; to continue to employ their members. anigel
  • Score: -2

7:03pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ! Mr Angry
  • Score: 21

7:22pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Newsboy2013 says...

Javez wrote:
Newsboy2013 wrote:
brainfreeze wrote: A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on.
All public sector workers get living wage which is higher than minimum wage
Utterly incorrect.

Living wage has been adopted by a lot of private sector companies (SSE, Aviva, Barclays, Pearson, and Legal & General) but only a few public sector local authorities, such as Cardiff, Birmingham and Newcastle. Add that tot he fact that a lot of government offices are now utilising agency staff (over 50% of the Prison Service in Newport) who are on well below living wage with no contract of employment, no sick pay and no notice fo temination of contract, and you're just plain wrong.

I think the problem is that goverment workers used to have a great deal. Around a decade or two ago. These days, if you don't include the Senior Civil Service ie upper management, then private sector workers get considerably better wages.....
Not taken on by small private companies
[quote][p][bold]Javez[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newsboy2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brainfreeze[/bold] wrote: A race to the bottom suits no-one. It's simply unacceptable that the lowest paid workers in the public sector will be paid below minimum wage from October onwards if current proposals carry on.[/p][/quote]All public sector workers get living wage which is higher than minimum wage[/p][/quote]Utterly incorrect. Living wage has been adopted by a lot of private sector companies (SSE, Aviva, Barclays, Pearson, and Legal & General) but only a few public sector local authorities, such as Cardiff, Birmingham and Newcastle. Add that tot he fact that a lot of government offices are now utilising agency staff (over 50% of the Prison Service in Newport) who are on well below living wage with no contract of employment, no sick pay and no notice fo temination of contract, and you're just plain wrong. I think the problem is that goverment workers used to have a great deal. Around a decade or two ago. These days, if you don't include the Senior Civil Service ie upper management, then private sector workers get considerably better wages.....[/p][/quote]Not taken on by small private companies Newsboy2013
  • Score: -2

7:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
When I was sick, and I was a teaching assistant in the public sector on minimum wage I might add, and not paid for holidays except the standard two weeks in summer and two in winter. All other half terms, Christmas and summer hols were unpaid, I had to go on employment and support allowance, which I was refused because Atos deemed me fit enough for work, even though my employers would not have me back because their occupational health service said I was unfit. I got NOTHING! I was then medically retired by my employers, even though I tried to fight the case as I felt there could be other positions I would have been able to do. But there you go, we public sector workers are supposed to be well off. Mr Angry speaks the truth and so do I.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]When I was sick, and I was a teaching assistant in the public sector on minimum wage I might add, and not paid for holidays except the standard two weeks in summer and two in winter. All other half terms, Christmas and summer hols were unpaid, I had to go on employment and support allowance, which I was refused because Atos deemed me fit enough for work, even though my employers would not have me back because their occupational health service said I was unfit. I got NOTHING! I was then medically retired by my employers, even though I tried to fight the case as I felt there could be other positions I would have been able to do. But there you go, we public sector workers are supposed to be well off. Mr Angry speaks the truth and so do I. endthelies
  • Score: 16

7:58pm Mon 7 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

Bobevans wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on.
How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out.
Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on.
Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing.
If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim.
I'm behind them every step of the way.
I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.
yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.
You don't want to be near a school at finishing time. The teachers are the first to race out of the school
get this public sector employees are 63% more likely to go on the sick

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/finance/jobs/
hr-news/9266687/Publ
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[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on. How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out. Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on. Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing. If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim. I'm behind them every step of the way. I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.[/p][/quote]yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.[/p][/quote]You don't want to be near a school at finishing time. The teachers are the first to race out of the school[/p][/quote]get this public sector employees are 63% more likely to go on the sick http://www.telegraph .co.uk/finance/jobs/ hr-news/9266687/Publ ic-sector-workers-mo re-likely-to-take-si ckies.html scraptheWAG
  • Score: -10

7:59pm Mon 7 Jul 14

HH1988 says...

Here we go again, everybody jumps on the bandwagon of claiming to know what it's like to be a teacher, then blaming them for anything they can. As a teacher myself I can tell you that it's not teachers striking that is causing most schools to shut, on this occasion it is the caretakers, cooks etc who the school cannot run without. As for the length of a teachers working day, as a newly qualified teacher myself I can honestly say I might leave the school gate at 4:30, but it's always carrying either a bag of marking or a memory stick of planning or assessments. I myself am at the bottom of my pay scale, call centre staff, shop assistants, construction workers all earning more than I do. Yet day in day out I work as hard as I can, caring about your children's future, wanting the very best for them, and then not forgetting my Sunday afternoons spent preparing for my week ahead. Our holidays are well earned by us and the children, surely as a loving parent you'd value the time they are off school, spending time together or at least more time together if your a busy working Parent. We don't strike for the sake of it, we strike to stand up for your children's future and our own career. If you want a generation of educators who are motivated, not exhausted and are trusted to do what is best for your children, rather than being blasted constantly by the government, then support the people who care about your children's future. I now must get back to my marking, thinking of ways to make these young children the best people they can possibly be!
Here we go again, everybody jumps on the bandwagon of claiming to know what it's like to be a teacher, then blaming them for anything they can. As a teacher myself I can tell you that it's not teachers striking that is causing most schools to shut, on this occasion it is the caretakers, cooks etc who the school cannot run without. As for the length of a teachers working day, as a newly qualified teacher myself I can honestly say I might leave the school gate at 4:30, but it's always carrying either a bag of marking or a memory stick of planning or assessments. I myself am at the bottom of my pay scale, call centre staff, shop assistants, construction workers all earning more than I do. Yet day in day out I work as hard as I can, caring about your children's future, wanting the very best for them, and then not forgetting my Sunday afternoons spent preparing for my week ahead. Our holidays are well earned by us and the children, surely as a loving parent you'd value the time they are off school, spending time together or at least more time together if your a busy working Parent. We don't strike for the sake of it, we strike to stand up for your children's future and our own career. If you want a generation of educators who are motivated, not exhausted and are trusted to do what is best for your children, rather than being blasted constantly by the government, then support the people who care about your children's future. I now must get back to my marking, thinking of ways to make these young children the best people they can possibly be! HH1988
  • Score: 34

8:23pm Mon 7 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
if you are unhappy with your lot then i suggest you transfer back into the private sector - My guess is you will stay where you are
[quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]if you are unhappy with your lot then i suggest you transfer back into the private sector - My guess is you will stay where you are scraptheWAG
  • Score: -16

9:05pm Mon 7 Jul 14

b3talover says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
What job do you do then?
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]What job do you do then? b3talover
  • Score: 3

9:27pm Mon 7 Jul 14

b3talover says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Hahaha, you're a special one...

If he had leave until mid September that would be 55 days annual leave... I smell bull****

Your posts are starting to bore me. You are just a cynical attention seeker. An internet troll that constantly needs feeding.

I think you're just insecure and frustrated because your university lecturer friend is doing better than you in life. Your words smack of jealousy! Don't try to tell me otherwise because you can't even throw a decent sentence together. You're hardly likely to be sitting in some wonderful job without two O levels to rub together are you? Flying to the moon this week? Flying a euro fighter? Performing eight hours of neurosurgery this week? I doubt it David Brent...

I look forward to more bull**** in your next post.

Maybe you will regale us about the time you beat General Zod... Pure fantasy every post... You are comedy gold.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Hahaha, you're a special one... If he had leave until mid September that would be 55 days annual leave... I smell bull**** Your posts are starting to bore me. You are just a cynical attention seeker. An internet troll that constantly needs feeding. I think you're just insecure and frustrated because your university lecturer friend is doing better than you in life. Your words smack of jealousy! Don't try to tell me otherwise because you can't even throw a decent sentence together. You're hardly likely to be sitting in some wonderful job without two O levels to rub together are you? Flying to the moon this week? Flying a euro fighter? Performing eight hours of neurosurgery this week? I doubt it David Brent... I look forward to more bull**** in your next post. Maybe you will regale us about the time you beat General Zod... Pure fantasy every post... You are comedy gold. b3talover
  • Score: 5

9:48pm Mon 7 Jul 14

anigel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are. anigel
  • Score: -4

10:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

sens says...

With reference to the message posted by HH1988- Well done!
Here we have the voice of a teacher stating the facts calmly and correctly.
More comments like this please!!
With reference to the message posted by HH1988- Well done! Here we have the voice of a teacher stating the facts calmly and correctly. More comments like this please!! sens
  • Score: 18

11:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

blackandamber says...

Always remember this. One persons pay rise is another persons redundancy, be careful what you wish for it may be YOU.
Always remember this. One persons pay rise is another persons redundancy, be careful what you wish for it may be YOU. blackandamber
  • Score: -5

12:18am Tue 8 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

b3talover wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Hahaha, you're a special one...

If he had leave until mid September that would be 55 days annual leave... I smell bull****

Your posts are starting to bore me. You are just a cynical attention seeker. An internet troll that constantly needs feeding.

I think you're just insecure and frustrated because your university lecturer friend is doing better than you in life. Your words smack of jealousy! Don't try to tell me otherwise because you can't even throw a decent sentence together. You're hardly likely to be sitting in some wonderful job without two O levels to rub together are you? Flying to the moon this week? Flying a euro fighter? Performing eight hours of neurosurgery this week? I doubt it David Brent...

I look forward to more bull**** in your next post.

Maybe you will regale us about the time you beat General Zod... Pure fantasy every post... You are comedy gold.
o levels good god man how old are you
[quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Hahaha, you're a special one... If he had leave until mid September that would be 55 days annual leave... I smell bull**** Your posts are starting to bore me. You are just a cynical attention seeker. An internet troll that constantly needs feeding. I think you're just insecure and frustrated because your university lecturer friend is doing better than you in life. Your words smack of jealousy! Don't try to tell me otherwise because you can't even throw a decent sentence together. You're hardly likely to be sitting in some wonderful job without two O levels to rub together are you? Flying to the moon this week? Flying a euro fighter? Performing eight hours of neurosurgery this week? I doubt it David Brent... I look forward to more bull**** in your next post. Maybe you will regale us about the time you beat General Zod... Pure fantasy every post... You are comedy gold.[/p][/quote]o levels good god man how old are you scraptheWAG
  • Score: -6

12:23am Tue 8 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

HH1988 wrote:
Here we go again, everybody jumps on the bandwagon of claiming to know what it's like to be a teacher, then blaming them for anything they can. As a teacher myself I can tell you that it's not teachers striking that is causing most schools to shut, on this occasion it is the caretakers, cooks etc who the school cannot run without. As for the length of a teachers working day, as a newly qualified teacher myself I can honestly say I might leave the school gate at 4:30, but it's always carrying either a bag of marking or a memory stick of planning or assessments. I myself am at the bottom of my pay scale, call centre staff, shop assistants, construction workers all earning more than I do. Yet day in day out I work as hard as I can, caring about your children's future, wanting the very best for them, and then not forgetting my Sunday afternoons spent preparing for my week ahead. Our holidays are well earned by us and the children, surely as a loving parent you'd value the time they are off school, spending time together or at least more time together if your a busy working Parent. We don't strike for the sake of it, we strike to stand up for your children's future and our own career. If you want a generation of educators who are motivated, not exhausted and are trusted to do what is best for your children, rather than being blasted constantly by the government, then support the people who care about your children's future. I now must get back to my marking, thinking of ways to make these young children the best people they can possibly be!
just had a look at teachers pay scales they start on £21804 what shop assistant or call centre worker do you know gets that , don't tell me like most of the public sector crowd you have never had any other job
[quote][p][bold]HH1988[/bold] wrote: Here we go again, everybody jumps on the bandwagon of claiming to know what it's like to be a teacher, then blaming them for anything they can. As a teacher myself I can tell you that it's not teachers striking that is causing most schools to shut, on this occasion it is the caretakers, cooks etc who the school cannot run without. As for the length of a teachers working day, as a newly qualified teacher myself I can honestly say I might leave the school gate at 4:30, but it's always carrying either a bag of marking or a memory stick of planning or assessments. I myself am at the bottom of my pay scale, call centre staff, shop assistants, construction workers all earning more than I do. Yet day in day out I work as hard as I can, caring about your children's future, wanting the very best for them, and then not forgetting my Sunday afternoons spent preparing for my week ahead. Our holidays are well earned by us and the children, surely as a loving parent you'd value the time they are off school, spending time together or at least more time together if your a busy working Parent. We don't strike for the sake of it, we strike to stand up for your children's future and our own career. If you want a generation of educators who are motivated, not exhausted and are trusted to do what is best for your children, rather than being blasted constantly by the government, then support the people who care about your children's future. I now must get back to my marking, thinking of ways to make these young children the best people they can possibly be![/p][/quote]just had a look at teachers pay scales they start on £21804 what shop assistant or call centre worker do you know gets that , don't tell me like most of the public sector crowd you have never had any other job scraptheWAG
  • Score: -4

2:04am Tue 8 Jul 14

HH1988 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
HH1988 wrote:
Here we go again, everybody jumps on the bandwagon of claiming to know what it's like to be a teacher, then blaming them for anything they can. As a teacher myself I can tell you that it's not teachers striking that is causing most schools to shut, on this occasion it is the caretakers, cooks etc who the school cannot run without. As for the length of a teachers working day, as a newly qualified teacher myself I can honestly say I might leave the school gate at 4:30, but it's always carrying either a bag of marking or a memory stick of planning or assessments. I myself am at the bottom of my pay scale, call centre staff, shop assistants, construction workers all earning more than I do. Yet day in day out I work as hard as I can, caring about your children's future, wanting the very best for them, and then not forgetting my Sunday afternoons spent preparing for my week ahead. Our holidays are well earned by us and the children, surely as a loving parent you'd value the time they are off school, spending time together or at least more time together if your a busy working Parent. We don't strike for the sake of it, we strike to stand up for your children's future and our own career. If you want a generation of educators who are motivated, not exhausted and are trusted to do what is best for your children, rather than being blasted constantly by the government, then support the people who care about your children's future. I now must get back to my marking, thinking of ways to make these young children the best people they can possibly be!
just had a look at teachers pay scales they start on £21804 what shop assistant or call centre worker do you know gets that , don't tell me like most of the public sector crowd you have never had any other job
Actually I've worked since I was 16 years old, shop work, boarding kennels and as a waitress. I've a friend in a call centre who has worked there 3 years, climbed their pay scale and is earning 24k plus. I'm sorry that £21k a year seems like a large amount of money for all the work I do, but I truly feel for the hours I put in I deserve more, but hey we can't all agree in life on everything.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HH1988[/bold] wrote: Here we go again, everybody jumps on the bandwagon of claiming to know what it's like to be a teacher, then blaming them for anything they can. As a teacher myself I can tell you that it's not teachers striking that is causing most schools to shut, on this occasion it is the caretakers, cooks etc who the school cannot run without. As for the length of a teachers working day, as a newly qualified teacher myself I can honestly say I might leave the school gate at 4:30, but it's always carrying either a bag of marking or a memory stick of planning or assessments. I myself am at the bottom of my pay scale, call centre staff, shop assistants, construction workers all earning more than I do. Yet day in day out I work as hard as I can, caring about your children's future, wanting the very best for them, and then not forgetting my Sunday afternoons spent preparing for my week ahead. Our holidays are well earned by us and the children, surely as a loving parent you'd value the time they are off school, spending time together or at least more time together if your a busy working Parent. We don't strike for the sake of it, we strike to stand up for your children's future and our own career. If you want a generation of educators who are motivated, not exhausted and are trusted to do what is best for your children, rather than being blasted constantly by the government, then support the people who care about your children's future. I now must get back to my marking, thinking of ways to make these young children the best people they can possibly be![/p][/quote]just had a look at teachers pay scales they start on £21804 what shop assistant or call centre worker do you know gets that , don't tell me like most of the public sector crowd you have never had any other job[/p][/quote]Actually I've worked since I was 16 years old, shop work, boarding kennels and as a waitress. I've a friend in a call centre who has worked there 3 years, climbed their pay scale and is earning 24k plus. I'm sorry that £21k a year seems like a large amount of money for all the work I do, but I truly feel for the hours I put in I deserve more, but hey we can't all agree in life on everything. HH1988
  • Score: 14

7:41am Tue 8 Jul 14

bobbajob says...

Ooh the Government would love this "discussion". The riffraff arguing and bickering amongst each other whilst they sit back rubbing their hands together quaffing champagne ....
Ooh the Government would love this "discussion". The riffraff arguing and bickering amongst each other whilst they sit back rubbing their hands together quaffing champagne .... bobbajob
  • Score: 4

7:53am Tue 8 Jul 14

Newsboy2013 says...

anigel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.
I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.[/p][/quote]I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector . Newsboy2013
  • Score: -1

11:41am Tue 8 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Newsboy2013 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.
I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .
I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage!
[quote][p][bold]Newsboy2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.[/p][/quote]I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .[/p][/quote]I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage! endthelies
  • Score: 9

1:05pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Sing up for the amber boys says...

endthelies wrote:
Newsboy2013 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.
I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .
I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage!
You do not get paid for a strike day in the public sector - you lose a days pay
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newsboy2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.[/p][/quote]I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .[/p][/quote]I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage![/p][/quote]You do not get paid for a strike day in the public sector - you lose a days pay Sing up for the amber boys
  • Score: 5

1:37pm Tue 8 Jul 14

grandmammamia says...

ivor27 wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for over 5 years. I'm grateful I have a job - more pay would be nice but at least I'm employed. The bit I don't understand in this is that teachers etc., can go on strike on Thursday and that's ok. Working parents have to make alternive arrangements, or have a day off work, etc. But, if children are taken out of school for a holiday during term time, the parents are going to be fined. It appears to be ok to disrupt everyone (because this strike will affect everyone) but a child can't go on holiday during school time, only when it's school holidays and the holiday prices are sky high.
And they can close for 2 days to avoid the NATO summit.
[quote][p][bold]ivor27[/bold] wrote: I have not had a pay rise for over 5 years. I'm grateful I have a job - more pay would be nice but at least I'm employed. The bit I don't understand in this is that teachers etc., can go on strike on Thursday and that's ok. Working parents have to make alternive arrangements, or have a day off work, etc. But, if children are taken out of school for a holiday during term time, the parents are going to be fined. It appears to be ok to disrupt everyone (because this strike will affect everyone) but a child can't go on holiday during school time, only when it's school holidays and the holiday prices are sky high.[/p][/quote]And they can close for 2 days to avoid the NATO summit. grandmammamia
  • Score: -3

3:42pm Tue 8 Jul 14

GogExile says...

endthelies wrote:
Newsboy2013 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.
I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .
I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage!
There speaks someone who has no idea about a worldwide employment market. Push too hard in manufacturing and your site gets closed and moved to a country with a cheaper labour market. That's why that joke of a Union (Unite) got all chopsy at the Grangemouth oil terminal and then utterly capitulated and accepted all the company's demands. Fires in Newport can't be fought from Poland, kids in Newport can't be taught from India. Industrial action is something only the public sector can indulge themselves in these days. Seriously, when did you last hear of a successful, large scale Union result in the private sector? I work somewhere where Unite is the union. Utterly toothless and people, like I did, are cancelling subs month upon month. So, fight your good fight but don't call on the private sector as we are the ones who will be cast aside and another revenue stream to pay public employees will cease to exist.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newsboy2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.[/p][/quote]I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .[/p][/quote]I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage![/p][/quote]There speaks someone who has no idea about a worldwide employment market. Push too hard in manufacturing and your site gets closed and moved to a country with a cheaper labour market. That's why that joke of a Union (Unite) got all chopsy at the Grangemouth oil terminal and then utterly capitulated and accepted all the company's demands. Fires in Newport can't be fought from Poland, kids in Newport can't be taught from India. Industrial action is something only the public sector can indulge themselves in these days. Seriously, when did you last hear of a successful, large scale Union result in the private sector? I work somewhere where Unite is the union. Utterly toothless and people, like I did, are cancelling subs month upon month. So, fight your good fight but don't call on the private sector as we are the ones who will be cast aside and another revenue stream to pay public employees will cease to exist. GogExile
  • Score: -1

4:21pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Newportg says...

gingertom wrote:
Unions look after themselves and no one else.
My experience of GMB and Unison were that they played golf with bosses, cutting deals that were useless to members and as long as the Reps were okay then it was tough luck for the rest of the members.
You just make it up as you go along, you idiot!!!!
[quote][p][bold]gingertom[/bold] wrote: Unions look after themselves and no one else. My experience of GMB and Unison were that they played golf with bosses, cutting deals that were useless to members and as long as the Reps were okay then it was tough luck for the rest of the members.[/p][/quote]You just make it up as you go along, you idiot!!!! Newportg
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Tue 8 Jul 14

gingertom says...

Newportg

You are the idiot and no one else or are you a union rep!!!

I know from experience of unison and GMB were out for themselves and sod the members who paid membership year in and year out.

One unison rep of torfaen regularly sold members down the river whilst he was alright and boasted of playing golf with the bosses.
Newportg You are the idiot and no one else or are you a union rep!!! I know from experience of unison and GMB were out for themselves and sod the members who paid membership year in and year out. One unison rep of torfaen regularly sold members down the river whilst he was alright and boasted of playing golf with the bosses. gingertom
  • Score: 3

5:09pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Newportg says...

gingertom wrote:
Newportg

You are the idiot and no one else or are you a union rep!!!

I know from experience of unison and GMB were out for themselves and sod the members who paid membership year in and year out.

One unison rep of torfaen regularly sold members down the river whilst he was alright and boasted of playing golf with the bosses.
Then you should name names then!!! I repeat, you just make it up as you go along!
[quote][p][bold]gingertom[/bold] wrote: Newportg You are the idiot and no one else or are you a union rep!!! I know from experience of unison and GMB were out for themselves and sod the members who paid membership year in and year out. One unison rep of torfaen regularly sold members down the river whilst he was alright and boasted of playing golf with the bosses.[/p][/quote]Then you should name names then!!! I repeat, you just make it up as you go along! Newportg
  • Score: 4

5:35pm Tue 8 Jul 14

endthelies says...

GogExile wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Newsboy2013 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector.

The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies.
Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more.
Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug.
Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years
Sick Leave does not exist
Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same.
I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much.
Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would .

Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so .
Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found.

Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would .

I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't

Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.
I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .
I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage!
There speaks someone who has no idea about a worldwide employment market. Push too hard in manufacturing and your site gets closed and moved to a country with a cheaper labour market. That's why that joke of a Union (Unite) got all chopsy at the Grangemouth oil terminal and then utterly capitulated and accepted all the company's demands. Fires in Newport can't be fought from Poland, kids in Newport can't be taught from India. Industrial action is something only the public sector can indulge themselves in these days. Seriously, when did you last hear of a successful, large scale Union result in the private sector? I work somewhere where Unite is the union. Utterly toothless and people, like I did, are cancelling subs month upon month. So, fight your good fight but don't call on the private sector as we are the ones who will be cast aside and another revenue stream to pay public employees will cease to exist.
People in the public sector also are in danger of losing their jobs if they stand up for themselves. That isn't just the privilege of the private sector. I've worked in both. I worked for a private nursery as well as in the public sector. All I'm saying is, people moan and moan but are to scared to say anything, so put up with low wages, etc etc. Maybe its time they didn't, because that's how the employers etc get away with it. However, this government has indeed made it harder for employees to stand up for their rights by introducing the fees that you have to pay for going to a tribunal. Again, that's one that we could all lobby the government about but do we? No. If you do try and stand up for you're rights you run the risk of being called a leftie! Don't just call others over for doing something about working conditions, get involved. If there's a petition, sign it, if there's a vote, vote for those who will protect your interests, and stop putting up with it!!
[quote][p][bold]GogExile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newsboy2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.[/p][/quote]I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .[/p][/quote]I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage![/p][/quote]There speaks someone who has no idea about a worldwide employment market. Push too hard in manufacturing and your site gets closed and moved to a country with a cheaper labour market. That's why that joke of a Union (Unite) got all chopsy at the Grangemouth oil terminal and then utterly capitulated and accepted all the company's demands. Fires in Newport can't be fought from Poland, kids in Newport can't be taught from India. Industrial action is something only the public sector can indulge themselves in these days. Seriously, when did you last hear of a successful, large scale Union result in the private sector? I work somewhere where Unite is the union. Utterly toothless and people, like I did, are cancelling subs month upon month. So, fight your good fight but don't call on the private sector as we are the ones who will be cast aside and another revenue stream to pay public employees will cease to exist.[/p][/quote]People in the public sector also are in danger of losing their jobs if they stand up for themselves. That isn't just the privilege of the private sector. I've worked in both. I worked for a private nursery as well as in the public sector. All I'm saying is, people moan and moan but are to scared to say anything, so put up with low wages, etc etc. Maybe its time they didn't, because that's how the employers etc get away with it. However, this government has indeed made it harder for employees to stand up for their rights by introducing the fees that you have to pay for going to a tribunal. Again, that's one that we could all lobby the government about but do we? No. If you do try and stand up for you're rights you run the risk of being called a leftie! Don't just call others over for doing something about working conditions, get involved. If there's a petition, sign it, if there's a vote, vote for those who will protect your interests, and stop putting up with it!! endthelies
  • Score: 7

6:25pm Tue 8 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Sing up for the amber boys wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Newsboy2013 wrote:
anigel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
anigel wrote:
Ringland Boy wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!!
Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.
Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said
SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar !
Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.
I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .
I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage!
You do not get paid for a strike day in the public sector - you lose a days pay
Sorry Amber boys I should have put it more clearly. That was the point I was making. You don't get paid when you're on strike whether you be private or public sector employed.
[quote][p][bold]Sing up for the amber boys[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newsboy2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: oh poor things perhaps you cosseted lots could try your hand in the private sector where you would work longer hours, have less holidays, not had a pay rise for many years, get 2 weeks sick leave, no flexi time , no pension and for many have the inconvenience of being made redundant every five years or so and that does mean loose your job not put in the redeployment pool like in the public sector. The real reason this crowd complain about their lot for many they have never had a job in the real world and despite moaning and **** never managed to crawl out from out from under their public sector rock. Which reminds me I bumped into a old neighbour at the petrol station a university lecturer who told me he is now on leave until mid sept, i drove of thinking these people really have not got a clue!![/p][/quote]Usual rubbish, I work in the Public Sector and you are telling lies. Holidays Most get 20 Days, only people with more than 5 years service get any more. Longer Hours, I work my contracted hours - why should anyone work more AND NOT GET PAID, if you do you are a mug. Pay rise - our pay has been frozen for four years Sick Leave does not exist Flexi time - whats the problem ? As long as an Office is manned when it should be who cares if some work 8-4, some 9-5 , some 10-6 or whatever ? They still get paid the same. I pay over well 6% of my wages to my pension, it will be worth 4,000 a year when I retire at 66 hardly a fortune. I have a Pension from a previous private sector post which will pay over twice as much. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more, any one would . Do the private sector make staff redundant every five years ? I dont think so . Whats wrong with a redeployment pool ? It means people are retained and fill in where required until permanent posts are found. Yes I have had a job in the 'real world' and left it because I applied for and got a public sector job which paid more at the time, any one would . I have a clue and its idiots like you who haven't Now at the moment the staff where are seriously pi$$ed off with the way we are being treated. and if I was running a Council thats the last thing I would want, all business Private or Public needs an element of goodwill both ways. However morons like you and some of the contributors to these forums still expect me and my colleauges to give our best, well let me tell you THAT AIN'T going TO HAPPEN, you don't slag someone off and then expect them to help you. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]Sick leave does not exist in the public sector? WOW do you honestly expect anyone to believe that. You are now the one telling lies and by association discrediting everything else you said[/p][/quote]SIck Leave DOES NOT EXIST, and never has - if anyone goes sick there is a strict policy involved, there is no 'Allowance' or 'leave' . I work there - I know. And I may be a lot of things - but I aint a liar ![/p][/quote]Well sorry you have just proved your lies as I know exactly the opposite to be true in many public sector departments in not just in local council but also in other areas. so sorry you keep spouting your lies and union propaganda You have shown yourself up for what you are.[/p][/quote]I have just had a relative who has had 2 times 6 months sick for stress within the last 24 months on full pay and when asked about it they replied well I am entitled to it in the public sector .[/p][/quote]I think people in the private sector need to stand up for their rights too because obviously people who work there are not satisfied with the entitlements they receive. Therefore, I suggest you take on your employers, as the public sector are doing (you don't get paid for strike days though) and stop moaning about what others are getting. Be proactive and do something about it. I'd suggest David Cameron as a starting point to lobby for a living wage![/p][/quote]You do not get paid for a strike day in the public sector - you lose a days pay[/p][/quote]Sorry Amber boys I should have put it more clearly. That was the point I was making. You don't get paid when you're on strike whether you be private or public sector employed. endthelies
  • Score: 3

11:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

gingertom says...

Newportg

Tell your rubbish to the family of the lady who hung herself due to bullying in her workplace which Unison was well aware of but ignored for months on end. If members were being properly represented by Unison and GMB then that bullying culture in that school would never had gathered momentum and got as far as it did she was a dedicated hard working lady whose union did nothing.
Newportg Tell your rubbish to the family of the lady who hung herself due to bullying in her workplace which Unison was well aware of but ignored for months on end. If members were being properly represented by Unison and GMB then that bullying culture in that school would never had gathered momentum and got as far as it did she was a dedicated hard working lady whose union did nothing. gingertom
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1:30pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Newportg says...

gingertom wrote:
Newportg

Tell your rubbish to the family of the lady who hung herself due to bullying in her workplace which Unison was well aware of but ignored for months on end. If members were being properly represented by Unison and GMB then that bullying culture in that school would never had gathered momentum and got as far as it did she was a dedicated hard working lady whose union did nothing.
If you have information on a situation like this you, as a law abiding citizen, must report it to the police, giving the names of the people responsible!!!
[quote][p][bold]gingertom[/bold] wrote: Newportg Tell your rubbish to the family of the lady who hung herself due to bullying in her workplace which Unison was well aware of but ignored for months on end. If members were being properly represented by Unison and GMB then that bullying culture in that school would never had gathered momentum and got as far as it did she was a dedicated hard working lady whose union did nothing.[/p][/quote]If you have information on a situation like this you, as a law abiding citizen, must report it to the police, giving the names of the people responsible!!! Newportg
  • Score: 2

9:12pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

David Cameron has repeated a pledge to change strike laws…if the Tories win the next election.

The PM said the "time had come" to set thresholds on union ballots considering a of 50% turnout minimum.

Then David following your logic……does this mean you will implement a similar threshold in general or local elections….includi
ng bye-elections…. as a number of recent ones had somewhere around a 35% turnout….which could hardly be considered an overwhelming mandate for our political masters.
David Cameron has repeated a pledge to change strike laws…if the Tories win the next election. The PM said the "time had come" to set thresholds on union ballots considering a of 50% turnout minimum. Then David following your logic……does this mean you will implement a similar threshold in general or local elections….includi ng bye-elections…. as a number of recent ones had somewhere around a 35% turnout….which could hardly be considered an overwhelming mandate for our political masters. Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 4

10:11am Fri 11 Jul 14

Gareth says...

A few years ago, some other people banded together to demonstrate. They too took to the streets in a last bid effort to convince the powers-that-be that they wanted better rights and conditions. It all went a little crazy when they got to the Westgate Hotel, granted, but they have left a legacy to this city.

Alas, there are more than a few people above who, had they been around a little while ago, would have seen the Chartists wandering down Stow Hill, whipped out their quills, and written a strongly-worded letter to Ye Olde South Wales Argus; doubtless whinging that the people outside were nothing but self-righteous Valleys buffoons who should just keep their head down and get on with life.
A few years ago, some other people banded together to demonstrate. They too took to the streets in a last bid effort to convince the powers-that-be that they wanted better rights and conditions. It all went a little crazy when they got to the Westgate Hotel, granted, but they have left a legacy to this city. Alas, there are more than a few people above who, had they been around a little while ago, would have seen the Chartists wandering down Stow Hill, whipped out their quills, and written a strongly-worded letter to Ye Olde South Wales Argus; doubtless whinging that the people outside were nothing but self-righteous Valleys buffoons who should just keep their head down and get on with life. Gareth
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Fri 11 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
I wish them all the best for their strike and protests....
Bloody hell, this is a nightmare.
I've found something that Welshmen and I agree on.
Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that would happen.
I'm off for a lie down.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: I wish them all the best for their strike and protests....[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, this is a nightmare. I've found something that Welshmen and I agree on. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that would happen. I'm off for a lie down. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 3

8:27pm Fri 11 Jul 14

iou123 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on.
How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out.
Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on.
Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing.
If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim.
I'm behind them every step of the way.
I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.
yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.
Oh here we go again! Let's have a dig at the teachers. Apparently we have 'no weekend working' . Oh really? You know all about it do you? Well I am a teacher and half of my weekends are spent planning lessons. I have to write Individual Education Plans for each one of my pupils. It isn't just about teaching a class - there are subject areas to co-ordinate and so on.

I really wish that people who have absolutely no idea what the job really entails would stop passing comments and making judgements.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: How are dinner ladies and bin men cosseted in their jobs? They are the ones on low pay as is the norm in local authority who are feeling the pinch hardest. They are fighting for a minimum wage that you can live on. How do you work longer hours then the average junior and comprehensive school teacher whose average day is 12 hours? They don't get paid for a 60 hour week. They are fighting to keep their terms they have which like the firemen will mean pay more in for longer and get less out. Firemen on the front line until they are 60. If they can't pass the physical, they lose much of the pension they have worked for decades on. Yes, we in the private sector struggle with all those things you mention. Many private sector workers have no voice when it comes to bullying zero hours or no sick but it doesn't make it a right thing. If you don't use your voice and stand up for your job and profession you are meat to be butchered at the Governments whim. I'm behind them every step of the way. I'm a parent who will have to deal with the school closures and childcare and i'll do it every time to support the school workers and emergency services.[/p][/quote]yes this 12 hour a day school teacher rubbish is put about by the unions i think they get 13 weeks holiday a year no weekend working and a job for life if they don't like it they can leave, in Wales their are snaking ques around the block to become school teachers.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go again! Let's have a dig at the teachers. Apparently we have 'no weekend working' . Oh really? You know all about it do you? Well I am a teacher and half of my weekends are spent planning lessons. I have to write Individual Education Plans for each one of my pupils. It isn't just about teaching a class - there are subject areas to co-ordinate and so on. I really wish that people who have absolutely no idea what the job really entails would stop passing comments and making judgements. iou123
  • Score: 6

7:38pm Sat 12 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder.
There now you feel better don’t you?

Check out the facts of trickle down economics:


http://youtu.be/3U1D
_T-tSTw
For anybody worried about the cuts, Don’t! Its all going to be all right because under Tory leadership those up the top of the ladder will be handsomely rewarded and in time their wise investing and willingness to help the country will all trickle down to us workingpoor at the bottom of the ladder. There now you feel better don’t you? Check out the facts of trickle down economics: http://youtu.be/3U1D _T-tSTw letsgobarbie
  • Score: 5

8:21pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Magor says...

Its about time all the backroom staff in the public sector got the chop then the frontline staff who do the real work can have decent wages the taxpayer will still be saving billions.
Its about time all the backroom staff in the public sector got the chop then the frontline staff who do the real work can have decent wages the taxpayer will still be saving billions. Magor
  • Score: 0
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