Wales set for ban on smoking in cars with children

Wales set for ban on smoking in cars with children

Wales set for ban on smoking in cars with children

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A BAN on people smoking in cars with children will be introduced in Wales it was revealed today.

The move, which would make smoking in private vehicles when children are present illegal, was announced today by First Minister Carwyn Jones and Health Minister Mark Drakeford.

A spokesman for the Welsh Government said the ban aims to protect children from the "avoidable harms" associated with passive smoking, which can lead to a range of chronic diseases.

He added: "Children are particularly at risk from exposure to second-hand smoke, in the confined spaces of a vehicle where they cannot escape from the noxious chemicals in tobacco smoke."

Wales’ First Minister Carwyn Jones said: “In 2012, we launched the Fresh Start Wales campaign to promote smoke-free cars carrying children and raise awareness to parents and others the risk their smoking poses to the health of children.

We made clear throughout that campaign we would consider the possibility of legislation when evidence of prevalence of smoking in cars carrying children in Wales is available in the summer of 2014.

Health Minister Professor Mark Drakeford said: “The research findings clearly show there is public support for not allowing smoking in cars when carrying children and that this support - and awareness of the dangers of second-hand smoke - have increased over the last three years.

He added the government will now consult on these proposals and "I urge people to have their say.”

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10:23am Tue 15 Jul 14

golfer says...

The police ing of mobile phones in cars is just out of control..so to control this is just going to be another turn the other way situation ..it's never going to work just the same way as mobile phones ..so don't start it and let the parents take their own responseibility for their actions ..
The police ing of mobile phones in cars is just out of control..so to control this is just going to be another turn the other way situation ..it's never going to work just the same way as mobile phones ..so don't start it and let the parents take their own responseibility for their actions .. golfer
  • Score: 9

10:24am Tue 15 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

I applaud this wholeheartedly. People who won't use common sense when it comes to smoking around children need to be told. I am curious though as to how successful the policing of this is going to be. The quantity of people blatently using phones whilst driving is massive compared to those caught for doing it. How do you prosecute for smoking when they can't enforce the phone ban on the scale required. Will the ban include e cigs i wonder?
I applaud this wholeheartedly. People who won't use common sense when it comes to smoking around children need to be told. I am curious though as to how successful the policing of this is going to be. The quantity of people blatently using phones whilst driving is massive compared to those caught for doing it. How do you prosecute for smoking when they can't enforce the phone ban on the scale required. Will the ban include e cigs i wonder? landyman3030
  • Score: 28

10:31am Tue 15 Jul 14

pillboy says...

Good move. Responsible parents wont smoke in cars when children are present anyway.
Good move. Responsible parents wont smoke in cars when children are present anyway. pillboy
  • Score: 24

10:48am Tue 15 Jul 14

MikeO4O8 says...

They should just ban smoking while driving anyway as it can be a big distraction, all it takes is for the lit end of the cigarette to come off, that end then starts burning threw drivers cloths and they will be jumping all over the trying to put it out, or if it goes on the seat then the seat could set on fire, oh and what about when the smoke get in your eye(s) when driving, you will pretty much be driving blind.

If the passenger(s) are caught driving will they be the 1's to be fined or whatever, or is it going to be a case of ''its the driver's responsibility''

Will this ban include e-cigarettes as well?
They should just ban smoking while driving anyway as it can be a big distraction, all it takes is for the lit end of the cigarette to come off, that end then starts burning threw drivers cloths and they will be jumping all over the trying to put it out, or if it goes on the seat then the seat could set on fire, oh and what about when the smoke get in your eye(s) when driving, you will pretty much be driving blind. If the passenger(s) are caught driving will they be the 1's to be fined or whatever, or is it going to be a case of ''its the driver's responsibility'' Will this ban include e-cigarettes as well? MikeO4O8
  • Score: 2

10:54am Tue 15 Jul 14

gatty says...

yeah this should have been done years ago,says a lot about them people who smoke infront of their children yeah.But cant help feeling its a nanny state again,the world today is a very sad place.
yeah this should have been done years ago,says a lot about them people who smoke infront of their children yeah.But cant help feeling its a nanny state again,the world today is a very sad place. gatty
  • Score: 9

11:22am Tue 15 Jul 14

gabriel williams says...

they should make smoking in cars illegal anyway , they stink the cars out and whoever buys a secondhand car that dont smoke to find its been smoked in does cause a huge affect on buying and selling cars. it shouldve been stopped the same time smoking in public places stopped . and i think for children in cars is discusting and they are smoking and driving with kids in the back. im sure thats driving without due care and attention . smokers like that should get 4 points and £150 fine minimum .
they should make smoking in cars illegal anyway , they stink the cars out and whoever buys a secondhand car that dont smoke to find its been smoked in does cause a huge affect on buying and selling cars. it shouldve been stopped the same time smoking in public places stopped . and i think for children in cars is discusting and they are smoking and driving with kids in the back. im sure thats driving without due care and attention . smokers like that should get 4 points and £150 fine minimum . gabriel williams
  • Score: -2

12:23pm Tue 15 Jul 14

davidcp says...

Won't work until the Australian 'caught you, give me the keys, you can have them back tomorrow' method is applied.

To the girl texting in a black VW Golf in Malpas at 40mph - when you have your accident I hope only you get hurt and not a child. As for giving me the finger - YOU were wrong, not me.
Won't work until the Australian 'caught you, give me the keys, you can have them back tomorrow' method is applied. To the girl texting in a black VW Golf in Malpas at 40mph - when you have your accident I hope only you get hurt and not a child. As for giving me the finger - YOU were wrong, not me. davidcp
  • Score: 38

12:31pm Tue 15 Jul 14

itsajoke says...

if drivers are fined for eating while driving, why are drivers allowed to smoke in the first place?
ban smoking in cars full stop!
if drivers are fined for eating while driving, why are drivers allowed to smoke in the first place? ban smoking in cars full stop! itsajoke
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Tue 15 Jul 14

sperduti says...

itsajoke wrote:
if drivers are fined for eating while driving, why are drivers allowed to smoke in the first place?
ban smoking in cars full stop!
i agree I see a woman I know gets in to her car with her two grandkids and lights up a cigarette !! I have seen a man driving on motorway with baby on board and he was eating a packet of crisps!! I was horrified!! and coming down north street in to pump street the amount of people holding a mobile phone and going down around this corner with one hand on steering wheel it amazes me !! fines should be more than they are now !!
[quote][p][bold]itsajoke[/bold] wrote: if drivers are fined for eating while driving, why are drivers allowed to smoke in the first place? ban smoking in cars full stop![/p][/quote]i agree I see a woman I know gets in to her car with her two grandkids and lights up a cigarette !! I have seen a man driving on motorway with baby on board and he was eating a packet of crisps!! I was horrified!! and coming down north street in to pump street the amount of people holding a mobile phone and going down around this corner with one hand on steering wheel it amazes me !! fines should be more than they are now !! sperduti
  • Score: 20

12:58pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Evil Flanker says...

And the police are supposed to enforce this, whilst their resources and manpower are at an all time low, whilst it's perfectly acceptable for motorists to park their cars on a footpath whilst their drive is EMPTY, whilst cyclists think it is acceptable nowadays to cyle on footpaths, whilst other serious crimes go uninvestigated, whilst nothing gets done when you call them about stolen goods, whilst nothing gets done when report assaults, all because the government emply the police to enforce that little control on citizens daily lives.

Get your prioities straight in dealing whith shoudl be a 'criminal' act, there are far more serious issues in society that are going un-noticed and unchecked! - REDICULOUS! - and NO!.... I don't have a car!
And the police are supposed to enforce this, whilst their resources and manpower are at an all time low, whilst it's perfectly acceptable for motorists to park their cars on a footpath whilst their drive is EMPTY, whilst cyclists think it is acceptable nowadays to cyle on footpaths, whilst other serious crimes go uninvestigated, whilst nothing gets done when you call them about stolen goods, whilst nothing gets done when report assaults, all because the government emply the police to enforce that little control on citizens daily lives. Get your prioities straight in dealing whith shoudl be a 'criminal' act, there are far more serious issues in society that are going un-noticed and unchecked! - REDICULOUS! - and NO!.... I don't have a car! Evil Flanker
  • Score: 11

1:02pm Tue 15 Jul 14

throwy1 says...

Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so.
What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs
Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so. What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs throwy1
  • Score: -27

1:10pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

throwy1 wrote:
Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so.
What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs
Are you serious? Are you such an addict you cannot refrain from smoking for 30 minutes odd?

Smoking is already banned in company owned vehicles and PSV vehicles
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so. What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs[/p][/quote]Are you serious? Are you such an addict you cannot refrain from smoking for 30 minutes odd? Smoking is already banned in company owned vehicles and PSV vehicles Bobevans
  • Score: 16

1:16pm Tue 15 Jul 14

myopinion1988 says...

Bobevans wrote:
throwy1 wrote: Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so. What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs
Are you serious? Are you such an addict you cannot refrain from smoking for 30 minutes odd? Smoking is already banned in company owned vehicles and PSV vehicles
So are you saying you smoke in a car with other peoples children as you ferry children around?
Wonder if the parents realise what their children are being subjected to on these "lifts to sports club"
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so. What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs[/p][/quote]Are you serious? Are you such an addict you cannot refrain from smoking for 30 minutes odd? Smoking is already banned in company owned vehicles and PSV vehicles[/p][/quote]So are you saying you smoke in a car with other peoples children as you ferry children around? Wonder if the parents realise what their children are being subjected to on these "lifts to sports club" myopinion1988
  • Score: 15

2:30pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Evil Flanker says...

Company cars, wondering if parents realise what their children are being subjected to....

First off, Company vehicles are not the same as a private vehicles and laws regarding one cannot apply to another, the same as people who 'work' in your homje therfore a place of work, rubbish! - If you work in a hazardous environment, then it's your employers resposibility to give you adequate protection, like, oh, I dunno, a facemask! - Not deman the public who own their own home cannot do as they please in their OWN home, this also applies to private vehicles ... Or.. should do!

As for parenting, if you are that concearned about your childs health surely you wouldn't allow them to be travelling in the first place with a smoker, parents obviously know each other and if they smoke, or what sort of parents would they be letting their kids in a strangers cars ?

How much will this cost to impliment? - As a taxpayer I would rather see my money going to something worthwhile, like EDUCATION, HEALTH SERVICES, not on something that is a pointless exercise in control.

Pointless ? - Yes pointless, kids are still going to breath in smoke elsewhere where their parents are, like at home, why not just ban people from smoking in their own homes too ? - Absolutely pointless and a complete waste of money, especially in light of UK government cuts to Wales!
Company cars, wondering if parents realise what their children are being subjected to.... First off, Company vehicles are not the same as a private vehicles and laws regarding one cannot apply to another, the same as people who 'work' in your homje therfore a place of work, rubbish! - If you work in a hazardous environment, then it's your employers resposibility to give you adequate protection, like, oh, I dunno, a facemask! - Not deman the public who own their own home cannot do as they please in their OWN home, this also applies to private vehicles ... Or.. should do! As for parenting, if you are that concearned about your childs health surely you wouldn't allow them to be travelling in the first place with a smoker, parents obviously know each other and if they smoke, or what sort of parents would they be letting their kids in a strangers cars ? How much will this cost to impliment? - As a taxpayer I would rather see my money going to something worthwhile, like EDUCATION, HEALTH SERVICES, not on something that is a pointless exercise in control. Pointless ? - Yes pointless, kids are still going to breath in smoke elsewhere where their parents are, like at home, why not just ban people from smoking in their own homes too ? - Absolutely pointless and a complete waste of money, especially in light of UK government cuts to Wales! Evil Flanker
  • Score: 13

2:45pm Tue 15 Jul 14

bobmech1 says...

This will be the start of more control someone will take this legislation to the courts of human rights as it will breech there right to smoke
I'm a non smoker but I belive that those who smoke should have there right to choose to do so interrogated with. Though I think they should consider others
It will be what food you can eat, when you can go out, where you can go eyc next
It's time the WAG sorted out more important things like Health and Education first not tinkering with personal liberties
This will be the start of more control someone will take this legislation to the courts of human rights as it will breech there right to smoke I'm a non smoker but I belive that those who smoke should have there right to choose to do so interrogated with. Though I think they should consider others It will be what food you can eat, when you can go out, where you can go eyc next It's time the WAG sorted out more important things like Health and Education first not tinkering with personal liberties bobmech1
  • Score: 15

3:46pm Tue 15 Jul 14

DavidMclean says...

Will it apply to me as my chauffeur does all my driving and I fancy a fag in the back?

Answers on a postcard to El Posho Towers.
Will it apply to me as my chauffeur does all my driving and I fancy a fag in the back? Answers on a postcard to El Posho Towers. DavidMclean
  • Score: 10

4:03pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Raymond Luxury-Yacht says...

But I can still smoke in my luxury yacht with countless children on board- but then I am very wealthy- so that's permissible. Nail the plebs- that's my motto.
But I can still smoke in my luxury yacht with countless children on board- but then I am very wealthy- so that's permissible. Nail the plebs- that's my motto. Raymond Luxury-Yacht
  • Score: 8

4:03pm Tue 15 Jul 14

hamiltonman85 says...

throwy1 wrote:
Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so.
What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs
The lifts don't have to stop, just the smoking.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Is it ok if I breath in my car? Please note MY car, if I want to smoke in it I should bloody well do so. What this will succeed in doing if it comes in is stopping children taking part in sport and therefore increase obesity. How do I arrive at that conclusion, I am a member of a sports Club and to save money car drivers do ferry children around as parents drop them off and go shopping. all that will happen is the lifts will disappear and children will stop attending sports clubs[/p][/quote]The lifts don't have to stop, just the smoking. hamiltonman85
  • Score: 5

4:08pm Tue 15 Jul 14

hamiltonman85 says...

bobmech1 wrote:
This will be the start of more control someone will take this legislation to the courts of human rights as it will breech there right to smoke
I'm a non smoker but I belive that those who smoke should have there right to choose to do so interrogated with. Though I think they should consider others
It will be what food you can eat, when you can go out, where you can go eyc next
It's time the WAG sorted out more important things like Health and Education first not tinkering with personal liberties
This policy is aimed at preventing the long term effects of smoke inhalation for children. It's unreasonable for an adult to 'polute' children in confined spaces and sayit's their human right to smoke. Who stands up for the child's human right to live a long healthy life?
[quote][p][bold]bobmech1[/bold] wrote: This will be the start of more control someone will take this legislation to the courts of human rights as it will breech there right to smoke I'm a non smoker but I belive that those who smoke should have there right to choose to do so interrogated with. Though I think they should consider others It will be what food you can eat, when you can go out, where you can go eyc next It's time the WAG sorted out more important things like Health and Education first not tinkering with personal liberties[/p][/quote]This policy is aimed at preventing the long term effects of smoke inhalation for children. It's unreasonable for an adult to 'polute' children in confined spaces and sayit's their human right to smoke. Who stands up for the child's human right to live a long healthy life? hamiltonman85
  • Score: 11

4:44pm Tue 15 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

As an ex-smoker, I have absolutely no problem with the proposal to ban smoking in cars - either with or without children being present. Regardless of the (unproven) risk of secondhand smoke, the very act of lighting up while driving is incredibly dangerous and far more distracting than - for example - using a mobile phone.

My only concern is if they were to then try to extend the ban to E-cigarettes, in the same way as they are attempted to extend the workplace ban.
As an ex-smoker, I have absolutely no problem with the proposal to ban smoking in cars - either with or without children being present. Regardless of the (unproven) risk of secondhand smoke, the very act of lighting up while driving is incredibly dangerous and far more distracting than - for example - using a mobile phone. My only concern is if they were to then try to extend the ban to E-cigarettes, in the same way as they are attempted to extend the workplace ban. -trigg-
  • Score: 12

4:59pm Tue 15 Jul 14

irisheyes says...

So,they're going to ban smoking in our own private cars.If that's the case are they also going to ban all diesel vehicles as there are more carcinogens from diesel exhausts than from cigarettes yet no-one cares about those fumes that babies in pushchairs are inhaling every day.
So,they're going to ban smoking in our own private cars.If that's the case are they also going to ban all diesel vehicles as there are more carcinogens from diesel exhausts than from cigarettes yet no-one cares about those fumes that babies in pushchairs are inhaling every day. irisheyes
  • Score: 8

5:30pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mr pitt says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
They should just ban smoking while driving anyway as it can be a big distraction, all it takes is for the lit end of the cigarette to come off, that end then starts burning threw drivers cloths and they will be jumping all over the trying to put it out, or if it goes on the seat then the seat could set on fire, oh and what about when the smoke get in your eye(s) when driving, you will pretty much be driving blind.

If the passenger(s) are caught driving will they be the 1's to be fined or whatever, or is it going to be a case of ''its the driver's responsibility''

Will this ban include e-cigarettes as well?
what a prat
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: They should just ban smoking while driving anyway as it can be a big distraction, all it takes is for the lit end of the cigarette to come off, that end then starts burning threw drivers cloths and they will be jumping all over the trying to put it out, or if it goes on the seat then the seat could set on fire, oh and what about when the smoke get in your eye(s) when driving, you will pretty much be driving blind. If the passenger(s) are caught driving will they be the 1's to be fined or whatever, or is it going to be a case of ''its the driver's responsibility'' Will this ban include e-cigarettes as well?[/p][/quote]what a prat mr pitt
  • Score: -15

6:50pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Realist UK says...

I'd much prefer the WAG police parents with a hefty fine and 3 points when exiting drive-thru burger and chicken establishments with kids in the back who are already obese.
I'd much prefer the WAG police parents with a hefty fine and 3 points when exiting drive-thru burger and chicken establishments with kids in the back who are already obese. Realist UK
  • Score: 20

7:27pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

What's worrying is that legislation is needed at all. Speaks volumes about the kind of people who are in charge of kids.
What's worrying is that legislation is needed at all. Speaks volumes about the kind of people who are in charge of kids. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 11

7:50pm Tue 15 Jul 14

inkyskin says...

trouble is, as with the mobile phone ban..people will still do it! people still drives while talking on a phone so they will still drive and smoke.
trouble is, as with the mobile phone ban..people will still do it! people still drives while talking on a phone so they will still drive and smoke. inkyskin
  • Score: 5

8:09pm Tue 15 Jul 14

coxymaverick says...

to be honest if i want to smoke in my car i wil but understand if kids are in the car this smoking ban is a joke
to be honest if i want to smoke in my car i wil but understand if kids are in the car this smoking ban is a joke coxymaverick
  • Score: 4

9:05pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Having spent some time reading the above comments it seems the general view is that the WAG politburo can jog on.

It's very simple, just ignore this law when it comes in, if you wish to smoke in your own property (your car) just do it.

As for all you parsimonious anti smoking johnnies, you can jog on too, no one is interested in your moralising, go and bother someone else.
Having spent some time reading the above comments it seems the general view is that the WAG politburo can jog on. It's very simple, just ignore this law when it comes in, if you wish to smoke in your own property (your car) just do it. As for all you parsimonious anti smoking johnnies, you can jog on too, no one is interested in your moralising, go and bother someone else. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: -2

8:51am Wed 16 Jul 14

Pafkay says...

I find some of the comments on here quite disturbing. You spend a lot of money, time, effort and love making sure that your kids are safe and well. But you are quite happy to expose them to high levels of over 70 carcinogens in the small enclosed space in your car because it suits you at the time.

This is not about anti-smoking, i'm a life long non-smoker and I believe that you should have the right to smoke, as long as it does not directly affect anyone else, as why should a non-smoker or a child HAVE to breathe in all of that rubbish just because you want to smoke?
I find some of the comments on here quite disturbing. You spend a lot of money, time, effort and love making sure that your kids are safe and well. But you are quite happy to expose them to high levels of over 70 carcinogens in the small enclosed space in your car because it suits you at the time. This is not about anti-smoking, i'm a life long non-smoker and I believe that you should have the right to smoke, as long as it does not directly affect anyone else, as why should a non-smoker or a child HAVE to breathe in all of that rubbish just because you want to smoke? Pafkay
  • Score: 9

1:58am Thu 17 Jul 14

MikeO4O8 says...

mr pitt wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
They should just ban smoking while driving anyway as it can be a big distraction, all it takes is for the lit end of the cigarette to come off, that end then starts burning threw drivers cloths and they will be jumping all over the trying to put it out, or if it goes on the seat then the seat could set on fire, oh and what about when the smoke get in your eye(s) when driving, you will pretty much be driving blind.

If the passenger(s) are caught driving will they be the 1's to be fined or whatever, or is it going to be a case of ''its the driver's responsibility''

Will this ban include e-cigarettes as well?
what a prat
Could you please tell me why you think I am prat?
Please expand on your comment.
[quote][p][bold]mr pitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: They should just ban smoking while driving anyway as it can be a big distraction, all it takes is for the lit end of the cigarette to come off, that end then starts burning threw drivers cloths and they will be jumping all over the trying to put it out, or if it goes on the seat then the seat could set on fire, oh and what about when the smoke get in your eye(s) when driving, you will pretty much be driving blind. If the passenger(s) are caught driving will they be the 1's to be fined or whatever, or is it going to be a case of ''its the driver's responsibility'' Will this ban include e-cigarettes as well?[/p][/quote]what a prat[/p][/quote]Could you please tell me why you think I am prat? Please expand on your comment. MikeO4O8
  • Score: 0

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