'Scandal' of move to translate Welsh exam work in to English

'Scandal' of move to translate Welsh exam work in to English

'Scandal' of move to translate Welsh exam work in to English

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AN ASSOCIATION that works to improve Welsh-medium education for pupils has criticised one of the UK's largest examining bodies as it looks to get pupils work translated from Welsh to English for marking.

Parents for Welsh Medium Education, RhAG, has criticised the examining body, Edexcel, which is looking for people to translate Welsh pupils' exam papers from Welsh into English so that they can be marked by non-Welsh speaking examiners.

Further criticism has come as an English company has been awarded the contract.

RhAG Development Officer, Ceri Owen, said: "This is a scandal, in what other country would it be deemed acceptable that translated work is examined rather than the original?

"They should have the same conditions as their contemporaries who study through the medium of English, where there is no interference in the original work.”

A concern put forward by the association is that the work being assessed isn’t that of the pupil’s but another person's interpretation.

She added: "The Welsh Government's Welsh-medium Education Strategy aims to increase the number of students aged 14-19 studying for qualifications through the medium of Welsh. It is quite obvious that the existing infrastructure is totally inadequate.

“This examination board, and all other examining bodies from outside Wales, need to employ more professional practitioners who are qualified and able to fulfil their work through the medium of Welsh as a matter of urgency."

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1:43pm Tue 1 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

Simple solution: set the exam and request that students provide their answers in English.

The quality of answer will improve as the students (for some of whom Welsh is a third language) will be better able to understand what is being asked, and it will be easier for the exams to be marked.
Simple solution: set the exam and request that students provide their answers in English. The quality of answer will improve as the students (for some of whom Welsh is a third language) will be better able to understand what is being asked, and it will be easier for the exams to be marked. -trigg-
  • Score: 4

3:39pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Can someone translate this article into Welsh for me so that I can understand it?
Parents........HAS criticised.........!
!! (third person plural needed)
The work being assessed isn't that of the PUPILS!!!!! (no apostrophe needed)
The examining board NEEDS to employ more....... (third person singular needed)
I would prefer to read Welsh which I can't understand rather than poor English.
Can someone translate this article into Welsh for me so that I can understand it? Parents........HAS criticised.........! !! (third person plural needed) The work being assessed isn't that of the PUPILS!!!!! (no apostrophe needed) The examining board NEEDS to employ more....... (third person singular needed) I would prefer to read Welsh which I can't understand rather than poor English. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 12

3:40pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

INTO not IN TO in the title as well. For Pete's sake. Don't we employ educated journalists anymore?
INTO not IN TO in the title as well. For Pete's sake. Don't we employ educated journalists anymore? Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 19

4:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

-trigg- wrote:
Simple solution: set the exam and request that students provide their answers in English.

The quality of answer will improve as the students (for some of whom Welsh is a third language) will be better able to understand what is being asked, and it will be easier for the exams to be marked.
Don't come on here with all your common sense and logic.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Simple solution: set the exam and request that students provide their answers in English. The quality of answer will improve as the students (for some of whom Welsh is a third language) will be better able to understand what is being asked, and it will be easier for the exams to be marked.[/p][/quote]Don't come on here with all your common sense and logic. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 16

4:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

davidcp says...

ELLELLELLELLELLELLEE
LLELLLLELLELLLLL POBOL Y CWM.

So there.
ELLELLELLELLELLELLEE LLELLLLELLELLLLL POBOL Y CWM. So there. davidcp
  • Score: -3

4:39pm Tue 1 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

I am utterly shocked and dismayed by this article.
I fail to see how, after 15 years of indoctrination, brain washing and over funding to the point of saturation by the WAG, we do not have enough Welsh speakers competent to assess exam papers.
Surely everybody who has passed through the education system west of Offas Dyke has now a full, fluent comprehension of the Welsh medium as they use it daily in business as well as at home.
Perish the thought that Carwyns dream of fluency in Wales is not working or viable. How did we not see this coming?
Surely a call to arms from our stove pipe hat brethren from the Valleys and the North will result in a surge of able tongued individuals who will rise up and smite the English nemesis that is Edexcel. **** their cheek.
I am utterly shocked and dismayed by this article. I fail to see how, after 15 years of indoctrination, brain washing and over funding to the point of saturation by the WAG, we do not have enough Welsh speakers competent to assess exam papers. Surely everybody who has passed through the education system west of Offas Dyke has now a full, fluent comprehension of the Welsh medium as they use it daily in business as well as at home. Perish the thought that Carwyns dream of fluency in Wales is not working or viable. How did we not see this coming? Surely a call to arms from our stove pipe hat brethren from the Valleys and the North will result in a surge of able tongued individuals who will rise up and smite the English nemesis that is Edexcel. **** their cheek. landyman3030
  • Score: 24

5:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

landyman3030 wrote:
I am utterly shocked and dismayed by this article.
I fail to see how, after 15 years of indoctrination, brain washing and over funding to the point of saturation by the WAG, we do not have enough Welsh speakers competent to assess exam papers.
Surely everybody who has passed through the education system west of Offas Dyke has now a full, fluent comprehension of the Welsh medium as they use it daily in business as well as at home.
Perish the thought that Carwyns dream of fluency in Wales is not working or viable. How did we not see this coming?
Surely a call to arms from our stove pipe hat brethren from the Valleys and the North will result in a surge of able tongued individuals who will rise up and smite the English nemesis that is Edexcel. **** their cheek.
Beautifully put Sir.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: I am utterly shocked and dismayed by this article. I fail to see how, after 15 years of indoctrination, brain washing and over funding to the point of saturation by the WAG, we do not have enough Welsh speakers competent to assess exam papers. Surely everybody who has passed through the education system west of Offas Dyke has now a full, fluent comprehension of the Welsh medium as they use it daily in business as well as at home. Perish the thought that Carwyns dream of fluency in Wales is not working or viable. How did we not see this coming? Surely a call to arms from our stove pipe hat brethren from the Valleys and the North will result in a surge of able tongued individuals who will rise up and smite the English nemesis that is Edexcel. **** their cheek.[/p][/quote]Beautifully put Sir. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 13

5:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

bobmech1 says...

Well said landyman 3030
It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit
Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business
Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales
Well said landyman 3030 It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales bobmech1
  • Score: 14

6:55pm Tue 1 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

bobmech1 wrote:
Well said landyman 3030
It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit
Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business
Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales
Quite agree. I
Sarcasm aside, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to translate a language to mark a paper. Imagine what could get lost in translation. Anybody who has used an automatic translate or doesn't know the local dialect will know how inaccurate these translations are.
Is this the examining bodies fault or yet another example of the WAG inadequate Education system?
Either way, it's our kids who are being failed by the organisations who should be supporting them through these exams. Sad.
[quote][p][bold]bobmech1[/bold] wrote: Well said landyman 3030 It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales[/p][/quote]Quite agree. I Sarcasm aside, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to translate a language to mark a paper. Imagine what could get lost in translation. Anybody who has used an automatic translate or doesn't know the local dialect will know how inaccurate these translations are. Is this the examining bodies fault or yet another example of the WAG inadequate Education system? Either way, it's our kids who are being failed by the organisations who should be supporting them through these exams. Sad. landyman3030
  • Score: 14

7:22pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

bobmech1 wrote:
Well said landyman 3030
It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit
Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business
Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales
Don't forget Patagonia. We'll be doing loads of trade with them when we pull out of the EU.
[quote][p][bold]bobmech1[/bold] wrote: Well said landyman 3030 It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales[/p][/quote]Don't forget Patagonia. We'll be doing loads of trade with them when we pull out of the EU. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 7

8:38pm Tue 1 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
bobmech1 wrote:
Well said landyman 3030
It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit
Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business
Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales
Don't forget Patagonia. We'll be doing loads of trade with them when we pull out of the EU.
Maybe if we are limited with who we can trade with, we may become a bit more independent and start manufacturing again instead of just importing goods. And why not Patagonia. We do a massive trade with Asia already. The only sticking point with our economy is that Maggoe sold ALL of the utilities to countries with foresight to take control.
There's a point. If we come out of the EU, will the European owned companies over here be able to trade with their sister companies in Europe? Will the Ministry of Justice ( what a stupid title straight out of Judge Dredd or Harry Potter ) be able to give away a thousand jobs to a French company?
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobmech1[/bold] wrote: Well said landyman 3030 It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales[/p][/quote]Don't forget Patagonia. We'll be doing loads of trade with them when we pull out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Maybe if we are limited with who we can trade with, we may become a bit more independent and start manufacturing again instead of just importing goods. And why not Patagonia. We do a massive trade with Asia already. The only sticking point with our economy is that Maggoe sold ALL of the utilities to countries with foresight to take control. There's a point. If we come out of the EU, will the European owned companies over here be able to trade with their sister companies in Europe? Will the Ministry of Justice ( what a stupid title straight out of Judge Dredd or Harry Potter ) be able to give away a thousand jobs to a French company? landyman3030
  • Score: -1

8:49am Wed 2 Jul 14

Sometimes says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Melvyn The Milk wrote:
bobmech1 wrote:
Well said landyman 3030
It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit
Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business
Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales
Don't forget Patagonia. We'll be doing loads of trade with them when we pull out of the EU.
Maybe if we are limited with who we can trade with, we may become a bit more independent and start manufacturing again instead of just importing goods. And why not Patagonia. We do a massive trade with Asia already. The only sticking point with our economy is that Maggoe sold ALL of the utilities to countries with foresight to take control.
There's a point. If we come out of the EU, will the European owned companies over here be able to trade with their sister companies in Europe? Will the Ministry of Justice ( what a stupid title straight out of Judge Dredd or Harry Potter ) be able to give away a thousand jobs to a French company?
The decline in Welsh manufacturing started before WW1, not over the last 30 years. I know Maggie was old, but not that old, as for foreign companies owning businesses, they actually are the biggest private sector employers in Wales, if it wasn't for them, we would all be employed in the public sector as there wouldn't be a private sector in Wales. Then there wouldn't be any private sector money to pay for the public sector.
Lets keep the red flag flying of Cardiff Bay!
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobmech1[/bold] wrote: Well said landyman 3030 It's forcing of Welsh on hasn't been of any benefit Surely we need to teach our children maths and English and a language that is used in business Worldwide than a language that is really useless outside Wales[/p][/quote]Don't forget Patagonia. We'll be doing loads of trade with them when we pull out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Maybe if we are limited with who we can trade with, we may become a bit more independent and start manufacturing again instead of just importing goods. And why not Patagonia. We do a massive trade with Asia already. The only sticking point with our economy is that Maggoe sold ALL of the utilities to countries with foresight to take control. There's a point. If we come out of the EU, will the European owned companies over here be able to trade with their sister companies in Europe? Will the Ministry of Justice ( what a stupid title straight out of Judge Dredd or Harry Potter ) be able to give away a thousand jobs to a French company?[/p][/quote]The decline in Welsh manufacturing started before WW1, not over the last 30 years. I know Maggie was old, but not that old, as for foreign companies owning businesses, they actually are the biggest private sector employers in Wales, if it wasn't for them, we would all be employed in the public sector as there wouldn't be a private sector in Wales. Then there wouldn't be any private sector money to pay for the public sector. Lets keep the red flag flying of Cardiff Bay! Sometimes
  • Score: 1

11:14am Wed 2 Jul 14

endthelies says...

What I don't get is why they make our children take exams in a language that , actually, nobody can mark because there are not enough people who understand it!!. I'm am totally not against anyone learning the Welsh language, however, I don't think it should be forced on those that do not have the desire to learn it. It should be optional in schools.
What I don't get is why they make our children take exams in a language that , actually, nobody can mark because there are not enough people who understand it!!. I'm am totally not against anyone learning the Welsh language, however, I don't think it should be forced on those that do not have the desire to learn it. It should be optional in schools. endthelies
  • Score: 4

11:21am Wed 2 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Read the post. I never said Maggie started it. I said Maggie sold off all of the utilities to foreign companies. That is the impossible legacy that we are left to deal with. That knock on effect, by your figures, is that the majority of the private business sector in the UK is foreign owned and operated.
How long is Tata going to keep Port Talbot open when they can import the slab cheaper?
Will Tata be allowed to trade with us under the EU rules if we come out of the EU? They are not in the EU but must abide by the rules or they wouldn't be allowed to trade surely?
Nigel Farage turned his back on the EU anthem yesterday. I don't know if that was senseless show boating or the start of the stand ready for next years elections.
All i know is with Junckers and Schulz elected and re-elected, the EU, alongside Merkel is making a stand and reaffirming that they want MORE control in Brussels and less in the individual countries Parliaments.
I feel we are sitting at the top of a slide and we are being nudged ever so gently towards the edge. Once we go, we go. No u turns as s option.
Read the post. I never said Maggie started it. I said Maggie sold off all of the utilities to foreign companies. That is the impossible legacy that we are left to deal with. That knock on effect, by your figures, is that the majority of the private business sector in the UK is foreign owned and operated. How long is Tata going to keep Port Talbot open when they can import the slab cheaper? Will Tata be allowed to trade with us under the EU rules if we come out of the EU? They are not in the EU but must abide by the rules or they wouldn't be allowed to trade surely? Nigel Farage turned his back on the EU anthem yesterday. I don't know if that was senseless show boating or the start of the stand ready for next years elections. All i know is with Junckers and Schulz elected and re-elected, the EU, alongside Merkel is making a stand and reaffirming that they want MORE control in Brussels and less in the individual countries Parliaments. I feel we are sitting at the top of a slide and we are being nudged ever so gently towards the edge. Once we go, we go. No u turns as s option. landyman3030
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Wed 2 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

Withdrawal from the EU will have no impact on trade. Do the Swiss have any trouble selling watches or toblerones to countries within the EU, or buying mercedes and BMW cars from them?

All that will happen is that Britain will negotiate new trading agreements with the EU, whilst also being free to make new trading arrangements with rapidly expanding markets such as India, which we are currently barred from doing.
Withdrawal from the EU will have no impact on trade. Do the Swiss have any trouble selling watches or toblerones to countries within the EU, or buying mercedes and BMW cars from them? All that will happen is that Britain will negotiate new trading agreements with the EU, whilst also being free to make new trading arrangements with rapidly expanding markets such as India, which we are currently barred from doing. -trigg-
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

-trigg- wrote:
Withdrawal from the EU will have no impact on trade. Do the Swiss have any trouble selling watches or toblerones to countries within the EU, or buying mercedes and BMW cars from them?

All that will happen is that Britain will negotiate new trading agreements with the EU, whilst also being free to make new trading arrangements with rapidly expanding markets such as India, which we are currently barred from doing.
Our problem is that we don't make watches or Toblerones!! Apart from assembling thing for other economies, what do we make exactly?
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Withdrawal from the EU will have no impact on trade. Do the Swiss have any trouble selling watches or toblerones to countries within the EU, or buying mercedes and BMW cars from them? All that will happen is that Britain will negotiate new trading agreements with the EU, whilst also being free to make new trading arrangements with rapidly expanding markets such as India, which we are currently barred from doing.[/p][/quote]Our problem is that we don't make watches or Toblerones!! Apart from assembling thing for other economies, what do we make exactly? Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 2

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