Health experts call for minimum booze price

Health experts call for minimum booze price

Health experts call for minimum booze price

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MINIMUM unit pricing for alcohol should be introduced in Wales to help protect those most vulnerable to the effects of "hazardous and harmful" drinking, experts have recommended.

A review by the Welsh Government's Advisory Panel on Substance Misuse (APoSM) has concluded that such a move will begin to tackle alcohol-related harm among "the most vulnerable groups in our communities."

Its report on the issue says alcohol misuse has accounted for more than 5,000 deaths in England and Wales in each of the last 10 years, and Wales - which had 504 alcohol-related deaths in 2012 alone - has a higher rate of such deaths than England.

On the basis of the evidence it has reviewed, APoSM - an independent expert body that advises the health minister on measures to prevent or reduce substance misuse - have unanimously recommended that the Welsh Government introduce minimum unit pricing.

“Alcohol health and social harm problems are preventable," said APoSM chairman Kyri Ll James.

"Expert evidence and research confirms cheaper drinks are favoured by those who drink hazardously or harmfully, and a minimum unit price would have a disproportionate targeting effect on problematic drinking, reducing alcohol problems and achieving health and other benefits for individuals and our communities as a whole.

“APoSM’s view is that a minimum unit price is an effective mechanism through which alcohol-related harm can be addressed.”

Four months ago, the Welsh Government launched a consultation into a White Paper proposing a minimum unit price for alcohol as part of a range of public health initiatives. The proposed minimum unit price is 50p.

"There is indisputable evidence that the price of alcohol matters. It is no coincidence that as the affordability of alcohol has improved substantially so has alcohol-related death and disease," said health minister Mark Drakeford.

“A minimum unit price will make a strong contribution to preventing alcohol overuse and misuse and reducing alcohol-associated illnesses. The panel’s report supports this view.

“We will now develop our proposals further with a view to introducing the Public Health Bill in early 2015.

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9:47am Fri 25 Jul 14

Raymond Luxury-Yacht says...

"There is indisputable evidence that the price of alcohol matters. It is no coincidence that as the affordability of alcohol has improved substantially so has alcohol-related death and disease," said health minister Mark Drakeford. Spot the brain cell: This may be so, but if price of alcohol is increased, some people will turn to a cheaper alternative, snorting horse tranquilizer or plant fertilizer or whatever is available at the right price.
No joined up thinking here: fewer alcoholics but more drug addicts. But what do they care? The remit is to see a drop in alcohol abuse, so as long as they achieve the target, what does it matter how they do it?
"There is indisputable evidence that the price of alcohol matters. It is no coincidence that as the affordability of alcohol has improved substantially so has alcohol-related death and disease," said health minister Mark Drakeford. Spot the brain cell: This may be so, but if price of alcohol is increased, some people will turn to a cheaper alternative, snorting horse tranquilizer or plant fertilizer or whatever is available at the right price. No joined up thinking here: fewer alcoholics but more drug addicts. But what do they care? The remit is to see a drop in alcohol abuse, so as long as they achieve the target, what does it matter how they do it? Raymond Luxury-Yacht
  • Score: 16

10:39am Fri 25 Jul 14

kez1968 says...

Of cause the health professionals want to increase alcohol prices, they want to so the same to sugary and high fat food, soon enough we won't be able to afford to have fun, we will all be bored but oh so healthy.
Of cause the health professionals want to increase alcohol prices, they want to so the same to sugary and high fat food, soon enough we won't be able to afford to have fun, we will all be bored but oh so healthy. kez1968
  • Score: 12

10:56am Fri 25 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Liver Cirrohosis....every Argus reader's human right. Didn't do Georgie Best any harm
Liver Cirrohosis....every Argus reader's human right. Didn't do Georgie Best any harm KarloMarko
  • Score: -8

11:09am Fri 25 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"MINIMUM unit pricing for alcohol should be introduced in Wales to help protect those most vulnerable to the effects of "hazardous and harmful" drinking, experts have recommended."

Hmmm...putting drink out of the financial reach of the poor masses may not stem alcoholism, but it might lead to a 'better' class of drunk.;) Is there a hangover of that old, Victorian sense of contempt towards the working class and drinking here as no-one in bourgeouiseville seems to see the Bullingdon hooray henries as a 'social problem'?
"MINIMUM unit pricing for alcohol should be introduced in Wales to help protect those most vulnerable to the effects of "hazardous and harmful" drinking, experts have recommended." Hmmm...putting drink out of the financial reach of the poor masses may not stem alcoholism, but it might lead to a 'better' class of drunk.;) Is there a hangover of that old, Victorian sense of contempt towards the working class and drinking here as no-one in bourgeouiseville seems to see the Bullingdon hooray henries as a 'social problem'? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 9

11:19am Fri 25 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

Ms Kate....bury the trite faux leftism. It's a serious issue with individual and family consequences far beyond the "happy drunk."..I.e Grow up.
Ms Kate....bury the trite faux leftism. It's a serious issue with individual and family consequences far beyond the "happy drunk."..I.e Grow up. KarloMarko
  • Score: -13

11:34am Fri 25 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

In much of the world it costs less than UK. Do all those countries have greater problems? I don't know, but it 's a fair question. A decent pint isn't actually cheap. One session at the pub would wipe out a third of a welfare cheque easily. So I'm guessing they're talking of the 7% cider stuff and Lambrini. I've never tried them but suspect they are vile. So, if taste isn't an issue , why are the quangocrats so sure that price would be an issue? Anyway, if, as Mr Marko says, you drink enough you'll be ill enough to move from JSA to ESA, another 30 quid's worth a week. Sorted!
In much of the world it costs less than UK. Do all those countries have greater problems? I don't know, but it 's a fair question. A decent pint isn't actually cheap. One session at the pub would wipe out a third of a welfare cheque easily. So I'm guessing they're talking of the 7% cider stuff and Lambrini. I've never tried them but suspect they are vile. So, if taste isn't an issue , why are the quangocrats so sure that price would be an issue? Anyway, if, as Mr Marko says, you drink enough you'll be ill enough to move from JSA to ESA, another 30 quid's worth a week. Sorted! Dai Rear
  • Score: 10

11:53am Fri 25 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

Increase the price of alcohol and addicts will simply spend more of their money on their addiction, and less on food and other essentials, leading to worse health problems.

Far from helping to solve alcohol related problems, minimum pricing will only exacerbate them
Increase the price of alcohol and addicts will simply spend more of their money on their addiction, and less on food and other essentials, leading to worse health problems. Far from helping to solve alcohol related problems, minimum pricing will only exacerbate them -trigg-
  • Score: 14

1:58pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Dai Rear wrote:
In much of the world it costs less than UK. Do all those countries have greater problems? I don't know, but it 's a fair question. A decent pint isn't actually cheap. One session at the pub would wipe out a third of a welfare cheque easily. So I'm guessing they're talking of the 7% cider stuff and Lambrini. I've never tried them but suspect they are vile. So, if taste isn't an issue , why are the quangocrats so sure that price would be an issue? Anyway, if, as Mr Marko says, you drink enough you'll be ill enough to move from JSA to ESA, another 30 quid's worth a week. Sorted!
You raise an interesting point. The state, under this plan. would charge more for alcohol but would effectively continue to pay for its supply to addicts through the benefit system.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: In much of the world it costs less than UK. Do all those countries have greater problems? I don't know, but it 's a fair question. A decent pint isn't actually cheap. One session at the pub would wipe out a third of a welfare cheque easily. So I'm guessing they're talking of the 7% cider stuff and Lambrini. I've never tried them but suspect they are vile. So, if taste isn't an issue , why are the quangocrats so sure that price would be an issue? Anyway, if, as Mr Marko says, you drink enough you'll be ill enough to move from JSA to ESA, another 30 quid's worth a week. Sorted![/p][/quote]You raise an interesting point. The state, under this plan. would charge more for alcohol but would effectively continue to pay for its supply to addicts through the benefit system. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Fri 25 Jul 14

KarloMarko says...

"Estimated health benefits from the policy were also unequally distributed. Individuals in the lowest socioeconomic group (living in routine or manual worker households and comprising
41·7% of the sample population) would accrue
81·8% of reductions in premature deaths and
87·1% of gains in terms of quality-adjusted
life-years." The Lancet, May 2014. Hey, but they've only researched it...Wadda they know compared with us? We'd rather die pig sick in a pool of our spewed up liver. If its cheap enough and on offer @ Asda.
"Estimated health benefits from the policy were also unequally distributed. Individuals in the lowest socioeconomic group (living in routine or manual worker households and comprising 41·7% of the sample population) would accrue 81·8% of reductions in premature deaths and 87·1% of gains in terms of quality-adjusted life-years." The Lancet, May 2014. Hey, but they've only researched it...Wadda they know compared with us? We'd rather die pig sick in a pool of our spewed up liver. If its cheap enough and on offer @ Asda. KarloMarko
  • Score: -7

3:06pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.
As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew. Petrus Barba
  • Score: -3

5:18pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Petrus Barba wrote:
As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.
It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"
[quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.[/p][/quote]It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units" Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

10:06pm Fri 25 Jul 14

anigel says...

Once again the ONLY possible suggestion the "experts" in this country can come up with is to increase prices and rip the public off even more.

AS alcohol is a lot cheaper in much of the world, one would be forgiven for thinking they have a much worse problem than we do, but that is not the case. Price is not the driving factor behind alcohol use and abuse in this country. In fact it is the already high cost and exclusivity of it that causes the problem in the first place. In many other cultures alcohol is a normal and usual part of daily life from a young age and you do not see the problems there that we do here where we try to price everything out of the reach of people.
Once again the ONLY possible suggestion the "experts" in this country can come up with is to increase prices and rip the public off even more. AS alcohol is a lot cheaper in much of the world, one would be forgiven for thinking they have a much worse problem than we do, but that is not the case. Price is not the driving factor behind alcohol use and abuse in this country. In fact it is the already high cost and exclusivity of it that causes the problem in the first place. In many other cultures alcohol is a normal and usual part of daily life from a young age and you do not see the problems there that we do here where we try to price everything out of the reach of people. anigel
  • Score: 11

11:27am Sat 26 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.
It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"
Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.[/p][/quote]It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"[/p][/quote]Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation. Petrus Barba
  • Score: -1

11:49am Sat 26 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Alcohol by volume. Keep your beard on.
Alcohol by volume. Keep your beard on. Dai Rear
  • Score: 8

11:53am Sat 26 Jul 14

anigel says...

Petrus Barba wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.
It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"
Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.
It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.[/p][/quote]It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"[/p][/quote]Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.[/p][/quote]It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself. anigel
  • Score: 4

1:46pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

anigel wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.
It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"
Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.
It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself.
Quis merda istud!
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.[/p][/quote]It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"[/p][/quote]Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.[/p][/quote]It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself.[/p][/quote]Quis merda istud! Petrus Barba
  • Score: -3

1:48pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Alcohol by volume. Keep your beard on.
Thank you very much!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Alcohol by volume. Keep your beard on.[/p][/quote]Thank you very much! Petrus Barba
  • Score: 0

2:03pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

anigel wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.
It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"
Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.
It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself.
Thank you for your recommendation. Perhaps you could do a "simple web search" to look up 'Irony'? Advice on grammar and punctuation wouldn't go amiss either!
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.[/p][/quote]It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"[/p][/quote]Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.[/p][/quote]It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your recommendation. Perhaps you could do a "simple web search" to look up 'Irony'? Advice on grammar and punctuation wouldn't go amiss either! Petrus Barba
  • Score: -3

5:51pm Sat 26 Jul 14

anigel says...

Petrus Barba wrote:
anigel wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Petrus Barba wrote:
As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.
It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"
Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.
It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself.
Thank you for your recommendation. Perhaps you could do a "simple web search" to look up 'Irony'? Advice on grammar and punctuation wouldn't go amiss either!
I could look up irony, but that would be pointless as I would need to look up "Epic failure" as the descriptor for your post, if you intended your post to be ironic. I will have to refuse your request for advice on your grammar and punctuation, as unlike far too many people on here, who appear to have nothing more important in their lives, I am not a "Grammar Nazi".
[quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: As a teetotaller, the price of alcohol is never going to affect me. However, I feel that jacking up the price is not going to achieve the desired effect. Committed booze abusers will continue to imbibe and just cut down on life's other luxuries such as food and heating! Could the way forward be to lower the alcoholic content of drinks to an historic level? The beer Queen Elizabeth I used to drink, I'm told, was far more innocuous than todays brew.[/p][/quote]It was "small beer", between 2 and 3% ABV. But she slurped north of a gallon a day so still quite a few "units"[/p][/quote]Just what is 'ABV'. It is most annoying when three letter abbreviations, and acronyms, are used without explanation.[/p][/quote]It is also most annoying when people refuse to make the slightest effort to educate themselves. you are obviously using the internet so a simple web search would have found your answer instead you give a diatribe on here and show just how far you will go in order to get other people to give you answers instead of find them yourself.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your recommendation. Perhaps you could do a "simple web search" to look up 'Irony'? Advice on grammar and punctuation wouldn't go amiss either![/p][/quote]I could look up irony, but that would be pointless as I would need to look up "Epic failure" as the descriptor for your post, if you intended your post to be ironic. I will have to refuse your request for advice on your grammar and punctuation, as unlike far too many people on here, who appear to have nothing more important in their lives, I am not a "Grammar Nazi". anigel
  • Score: 2

9:09am Sun 27 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

anigel wrote:
I could look up irony, but that would be pointless as I would need to look up "Epic failure" as the descriptor for your post, if you intended your post to be ironic. I will have to refuse your request for advice on your grammar and punctuation, as unlike far too many people on here, who appear to have nothing more important in their lives, I am not a "Grammar Nazi".............."
Grammar Nazi"? Ye Gods! From your turn of phrase, vituperative tone, and apparent willingness to insult all and sundry, leads me to one conclusion. I put it to you that, you are a Guardian reader?
anigel wrote: I could look up irony, but that would be pointless as I would need to look up "Epic failure" as the descriptor for your post, if you intended your post to be ironic. I will have to refuse your request for advice on your grammar and punctuation, as unlike far too many people on here, who appear to have nothing more important in their lives, I am not a "Grammar Nazi".............." Grammar Nazi"? Ye Gods! From your turn of phrase, vituperative tone, and apparent willingness to insult all and sundry, leads me to one conclusion. I put it to you that, you are a Guardian reader? Petrus Barba
  • Score: -2

10:53am Sun 27 Jul 14

Magor says...

I think reducing supply would be better.There are too many places selling alcohol these days.
I think reducing supply would be better.There are too many places selling alcohol these days. Magor
  • Score: 0

11:00am Sun 27 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

Magor wrote:
I think reducing supply would be better.There are too many places selling alcohol these days.
I agree.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: I think reducing supply would be better.There are too many places selling alcohol these days.[/p][/quote]I agree. Petrus Barba
  • Score: -2

6:50am Mon 28 Jul 14

anigel says...

Petrus Barba wrote:
anigel wrote:
I could look up irony, but that would be pointless as I would need to look up "Epic failure" as the descriptor for your post, if you intended your post to be ironic. I will have to refuse your request for advice on your grammar and punctuation, as unlike far too many people on here, who appear to have nothing more important in their lives, I am not a "Grammar Nazi".............."

Grammar Nazi"? Ye Gods! From your turn of phrase, vituperative tone, and apparent willingness to insult all and sundry, leads me to one conclusion. I put it to you that, you are a Guardian reader?
Your conclusion would be wrong. As we are playing a guessing game, based on your expectation of others to give you stuff, without any effort on your own part to earn it, I would have to conclude you were a labour supporter.
[quote][p][bold]Petrus Barba[/bold] wrote: anigel wrote: I could look up irony, but that would be pointless as I would need to look up "Epic failure" as the descriptor for your post, if you intended your post to be ironic. I will have to refuse your request for advice on your grammar and punctuation, as unlike far too many people on here, who appear to have nothing more important in their lives, I am not a "Grammar Nazi".............." Grammar Nazi"? Ye Gods! From your turn of phrase, vituperative tone, and apparent willingness to insult all and sundry, leads me to one conclusion. I put it to you that, you are a Guardian reader?[/p][/quote]Your conclusion would be wrong. As we are playing a guessing game, based on your expectation of others to give you stuff, without any effort on your own part to earn it, I would have to conclude you were a labour supporter. anigel
  • Score: 0

9:47am Mon 28 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

amigel wrote: "Grammar Nazi"? Ye Gods! From your turn of phrase, vituperative tone, and apparent willingness to insult all and sundry, leads me to one conclusion. I put it to you that, you are a Guardian reader?
Your conclusion would be wrong. As we are playing a guessing game, based on your expectation of others to give you stuff, without any effort on your own part to earn it, I would have to conclude you were a labour supporter."

I expect that everyone else who has read the rather protracted and boring comments between us, has managed to grasp the fact that I knew all along what 'ABV' meant, and that I was just exercising my favourite attribute as a pedant. You, on the other hand, whether by being deliberately obtuse or not, seem unable to comprehend this basic truth. I find the idea of being considered a Labour supporter (based on a false premise), hilarious!
amigel wrote: "Grammar Nazi"? Ye Gods! From your turn of phrase, vituperative tone, and apparent willingness to insult all and sundry, leads me to one conclusion. I put it to you that, you are a Guardian reader? Your conclusion would be wrong. As we are playing a guessing game, based on your expectation of others to give you stuff, without any effort on your own part to earn it, I would have to conclude you were a labour supporter." I expect that everyone else who has read the rather protracted and boring comments between us, has managed to grasp the fact that I knew all along what 'ABV' meant, and that I was just exercising my favourite attribute as a pedant. You, on the other hand, whether by being deliberately obtuse or not, seem unable to comprehend this basic truth. I find the idea of being considered a Labour supporter (based on a false premise), hilarious! Petrus Barba
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Mon 28 Jul 14

myopinion1988 says...

Is alcohol banned from being consumed in streets and parks?

I think if they up the age limit and ban it from public places that could make a difference?
Is alcohol banned from being consumed in streets and parks? I think if they up the age limit and ban it from public places that could make a difference? myopinion1988
  • Score: -1

7:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Charlie1501 says...

What the Welsh gov't should do is stop the big stores advertising cheap booze whenever there's a holiday looming. Booze can be bought for the price of a packet of sweets. Get tough on the supermarket leaflets dropped through our doors offering 2 crates of beer/cider for one. Wait, they wont'd do that now will they?.....too flippin sensible...
What the Welsh gov't should do is stop the big stores advertising cheap booze whenever there's a holiday looming. Booze can be bought for the price of a packet of sweets. Get tough on the supermarket leaflets dropped through our doors offering 2 crates of beer/cider for one. Wait, they wont'd do that now will they?.....too flippin sensible... Charlie1501
  • Score: -1

7:48pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Charlie1501 says...

PS.... i think Petrus and Amigel have been sipping the sherry again....two words....GROW UP......
PS.... i think Petrus and Amigel have been sipping the sherry again....two words....GROW UP...... Charlie1501
  • Score: -1

4:26am Tue 29 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Charlie1501 wrote:
What the Welsh gov't should do is stop the big stores advertising cheap booze whenever there's a holiday looming. Booze can be bought for the price of a packet of sweets. Get tough on the supermarket leaflets dropped through our doors offering 2 crates of beer/cider for one. Wait, they wont'd do that now will they?.....too flippin sensible...
May I respectfully suggest you reconsider your choice of sweets? They don't have to come in gold wrappers and be approved by HM The Queen, you know? And if you have so much income as to consider beer and cider in the UK "cheap" may I also suggest that you today covenant to send a tidy sum monthly to the Salvation Army?
[quote][p][bold]Charlie1501[/bold] wrote: What the Welsh gov't should do is stop the big stores advertising cheap booze whenever there's a holiday looming. Booze can be bought for the price of a packet of sweets. Get tough on the supermarket leaflets dropped through our doors offering 2 crates of beer/cider for one. Wait, they wont'd do that now will they?.....too flippin sensible...[/p][/quote]May I respectfully suggest you reconsider your choice of sweets? They don't have to come in gold wrappers and be approved by HM The Queen, you know? And if you have so much income as to consider beer and cider in the UK "cheap" may I also suggest that you today covenant to send a tidy sum monthly to the Salvation Army? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

6:19am Tue 29 Jul 14

Charlie1501 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Charlie1501 wrote:
What the Welsh gov't should do is stop the big stores advertising cheap booze whenever there's a holiday looming. Booze can be bought for the price of a packet of sweets. Get tough on the supermarket leaflets dropped through our doors offering 2 crates of beer/cider for one. Wait, they wont'd do that now will they?.....too flippin sensible...
May I respectfully suggest you reconsider your choice of sweets? They don't have to come in gold wrappers and be approved by HM The Queen, you know? And if you have so much income as to consider beer and cider in the UK "cheap" may I also suggest that you today covenant to send a tidy sum monthly to the Salvation Army?
I think you completely missed the point of my piece, but never mind.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie1501[/bold] wrote: What the Welsh gov't should do is stop the big stores advertising cheap booze whenever there's a holiday looming. Booze can be bought for the price of a packet of sweets. Get tough on the supermarket leaflets dropped through our doors offering 2 crates of beer/cider for one. Wait, they wont'd do that now will they?.....too flippin sensible...[/p][/quote]May I respectfully suggest you reconsider your choice of sweets? They don't have to come in gold wrappers and be approved by HM The Queen, you know? And if you have so much income as to consider beer and cider in the UK "cheap" may I also suggest that you today covenant to send a tidy sum monthly to the Salvation Army?[/p][/quote]I think you completely missed the point of my piece, but never mind. Charlie1501
  • Score: -1

8:21am Tue 29 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

Complete waste of time increasing prices, like petrol and car taxes, people will just keep paying up, (Which is the whole point of these things). Of course those who are regular drinkers or alcoholics will just keep drinking so no gain on the health front either. If what they fancy is getting expensive they will switch to bootleg booze or cheap cider options, which are twice as lethal. Like drugs (Of which Alcohol is one), the only way is either total ban on sales, or water it down so much it loses its point. Again when these were tried people drank anything and everything. Really you need to find out why people need to drink every day.. This is a tax-raising event again and a sure-fire earner for the state who are in effect pimping off drug addicts and alcohol dependents. think yourself lucky you don't live in London where they just hiked up a tax of £20 a day just to drive through the city. Newport would pay people to drive here !
Complete waste of time increasing prices, like petrol and car taxes, people will just keep paying up, (Which is the whole point of these things). Of course those who are regular drinkers or alcoholics will just keep drinking so no gain on the health front either. If what they fancy is getting expensive they will switch to bootleg booze or cheap cider options, which are twice as lethal. Like drugs (Of which Alcohol is one), the only way is either total ban on sales, or water it down so much it loses its point. Again when these were tried people drank anything and everything. Really you need to find out why people need to drink every day.. This is a tax-raising event again and a sure-fire earner for the state who are in effect pimping off drug addicts and alcohol dependents. think yourself lucky you don't live in London where they just hiked up a tax of £20 a day just to drive through the city. Newport would pay people to drive here ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

8:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

Petrus Barba says...

Charlie1501 wrote:
PS.... i think Petrus and Amigel have been sipping the sherry again....two words....GROW UP......
Amen to that. I'm putting the train set on Ebay next week!
[quote][p][bold]Charlie1501[/bold] wrote: PS.... i think Petrus and Amigel have been sipping the sherry again....two words....GROW UP......[/p][/quote]Amen to that. I'm putting the train set on Ebay next week! Petrus Barba
  • Score: 3

8:50am Tue 29 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

Charlie1501 the point of your piece is that there's "cheap booze" in the UK. There isn't. In fact, so rapacious is the State, to fuel its grotesquely incompetent spending , that there's no cheap anything in the UK. This is an example. The State wastes a lot of our cash on various "experts" all of which tell it to put the price of booze even higher. Well that's just tax money passed down the drain, isn't it? I'd rather it passed through me first as a pint of ESB for which I'd not to pay 4 quid because of alcohol duty, VAT, Business Rate, Employers' National Insurance Tax, etc, etc.
Thank you.
Charlie1501 the point of your piece is that there's "cheap booze" in the UK. There isn't. In fact, so rapacious is the State, to fuel its grotesquely incompetent spending , that there's no cheap anything in the UK. This is an example. The State wastes a lot of our cash on various "experts" all of which tell it to put the price of booze even higher. Well that's just tax money passed down the drain, isn't it? I'd rather it passed through me first as a pint of ESB for which I'd not to pay 4 quid because of alcohol duty, VAT, Business Rate, Employers' National Insurance Tax, etc, etc. Thank you. Dai Rear
  • Score: 5

9:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

Too many people reserve the right to kill themselves how they wish, cannot see why they then complain it will cost them money and health as well, and still demand we all pick up the tab.... one way which was suggested before was to close down off licences and supermarket booze outlets. then people who want a drink do it in relatively supervised surroundings (Pubs/Clubs). Banning drunks from entrance would do a lot too as well as refusing them health care when they turn up abusive and drunk. There is a notice on a wall near the railway station done in the last century, it says "Temperance is the only true moderation..." Newport has a history of drunkenness and alcoholism, we need an image change and a sea change in the availability of booze. Abroad they drink in a civilised manner, and despair at the drunken antics and attitudes of the British. Who clearly have no way to moderate their drinking nor want to. Their behaviour is appalling. Good to see wales is keeping our end up... not !
Too many people reserve the right to kill themselves how they wish, cannot see why they then complain it will cost them money and health as well, and still demand we all pick up the tab.... one way which was suggested before was to close down off licences and supermarket booze outlets. then people who want a drink do it in relatively supervised surroundings (Pubs/Clubs). Banning drunks from entrance would do a lot too as well as refusing them health care when they turn up abusive and drunk. There is a notice on a wall near the railway station done in the last century, it says "Temperance is the only true moderation..." Newport has a history of drunkenness and alcoholism, we need an image change and a sea change in the availability of booze. Abroad they drink in a civilised manner, and despair at the drunken antics and attitudes of the British. Who clearly have no way to moderate their drinking nor want to. Their behaviour is appalling. Good to see wales is keeping our end up... not ! Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

12:57pm Tue 29 Jul 14

thatcherslovechild says...

Far from banning cheap alcohol in supermarkets which would just penalise the majority of social drinkers on a budget. Stop the happy hours in bars and clubs ,go back to sensible opening hours ( no more all day opening)
In my job we don't spend all our time picking up drunks from private homes it's from the so called licensed premises who allow/ encourage customers to drink themselves to oblivion then throw them on the street and blame everyone but themselves
Far from banning cheap alcohol in supermarkets which would just penalise the majority of social drinkers on a budget. Stop the happy hours in bars and clubs ,go back to sensible opening hours ( no more all day opening) In my job we don't spend all our time picking up drunks from private homes it's from the so called licensed premises who allow/ encourage customers to drink themselves to oblivion then throw them on the street and blame everyone but themselves thatcherslovechild
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Tue 29 Jul 14

warneboy says...

Decrease the alcohol price in pubs ,big price increase on shop bought alcohol. This should result in more pub customers drinking in a controlled environment. A good way for young adults to learn how to socialize and drink sensibly. Plus the creation of job vacancies within the drinks trade.
Decrease the alcohol price in pubs ,big price increase on shop bought alcohol. This should result in more pub customers drinking in a controlled environment. A good way for young adults to learn how to socialize and drink sensibly. Plus the creation of job vacancies within the drinks trade. warneboy
  • Score: 0

4:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

warneboy wrote:
Decrease the alcohol price in pubs ,big price increase on shop bought alcohol. This should result in more pub customers drinking in a controlled environment. A good way for young adults to learn how to socialize and drink sensibly. Plus the creation of job vacancies within the drinks trade.
Yes nice idea. But you'd only achieve it by the State backing off from leeching money from us (see what I say about all the taxes above) and it ain't gonna happen. In fact the IMF in their latest recipe for disaster thinks the State should screw us for even more.
[quote][p][bold]warneboy[/bold] wrote: Decrease the alcohol price in pubs ,big price increase on shop bought alcohol. This should result in more pub customers drinking in a controlled environment. A good way for young adults to learn how to socialize and drink sensibly. Plus the creation of job vacancies within the drinks trade.[/p][/quote]Yes nice idea. But you'd only achieve it by the State backing off from leeching money from us (see what I say about all the taxes above) and it ain't gonna happen. In fact the IMF in their latest recipe for disaster thinks the State should screw us for even more. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

7:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

There is no evidence at all that increasing the price of alcohol will have any affect at all on the groups that abuse alcohol
There is no evidence at all that increasing the price of alcohol will have any affect at all on the groups that abuse alcohol Bobevans
  • Score: 3

7:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

-trigg- wrote:
Increase the price of alcohol and addicts will simply spend more of their money on their addiction, and less on food and other essentials, leading to worse health problems.

Far from helping to solve alcohol related problems, minimum pricing will only exacerbate them
The answer is proper enforcement of the licencing regulations, Currently scant regard is paid to them because there is no real consequence to ignoring them. Pubs bars and clubs will server underage drinkers and to drunks only throwing drunks out when they become to much of a nuisance. They pay scant regard to their duty of care to their customers as well
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Increase the price of alcohol and addicts will simply spend more of their money on their addiction, and less on food and other essentials, leading to worse health problems. Far from helping to solve alcohol related problems, minimum pricing will only exacerbate them[/p][/quote]The answer is proper enforcement of the licencing regulations, Currently scant regard is paid to them because there is no real consequence to ignoring them. Pubs bars and clubs will server underage drinkers and to drunks only throwing drunks out when they become to much of a nuisance. They pay scant regard to their duty of care to their customers as well Bobevans
  • Score: 3

9:57am Thu 31 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

thatcherslovechild wrote:
Far from banning cheap alcohol in supermarkets which would just penalise the majority of social drinkers on a budget. Stop the happy hours in bars and clubs ,go back to sensible opening hours ( no more all day opening)
In my job we don't spend all our time picking up drunks from private homes it's from the so called licensed premises who allow/ encourage customers to drink themselves to oblivion then throw them on the street and blame everyone but themselves
Happy Hours in Maindee run for 4 hours, some, all day...... Yes the the old way of pub openings as I recall was last order at 10:30pm, and no Sunday or all day opening. I know we live in a 24/7 society, but I don't think it was intended we drink ourselves stupid 24/7. They opened off licences on every street corner, even when they forced the pubs to close.

We need sensible hours in clubs and pubs and a cull of these 'convenience' stores that bleat they are needed because we need a loaf of bread at 9 o clock of an evening, any basic perusal of these shops shows then stacked floor to ceiling with cheap booze and confectionery. They are also the primary areas selling to under-age children . They could at least prevent sales after 5pm of an evening. Personally I'd go further and want a ban of a 5 mile radius of the city centre to off licences. A restriction on fast food areas too, let's drive them out of the high streets.... that would help our obese lose a few pounds too.
[quote][p][bold]thatcherslovechild[/bold] wrote: Far from banning cheap alcohol in supermarkets which would just penalise the majority of social drinkers on a budget. Stop the happy hours in bars and clubs ,go back to sensible opening hours ( no more all day opening) In my job we don't spend all our time picking up drunks from private homes it's from the so called licensed premises who allow/ encourage customers to drink themselves to oblivion then throw them on the street and blame everyone but themselves[/p][/quote]Happy Hours in Maindee run for 4 hours, some, all day...... Yes the the old way of pub openings as I recall was last order at 10:30pm, and no Sunday or all day opening. I know we live in a 24/7 society, but I don't think it was intended we drink ourselves stupid 24/7. They opened off licences on every street corner, even when they forced the pubs to close. We need sensible hours in clubs and pubs and a cull of these 'convenience' stores that bleat they are needed because we need a loaf of bread at 9 o clock of an evening, any basic perusal of these shops shows then stacked floor to ceiling with cheap booze and confectionery. They are also the primary areas selling to under-age children . They could at least prevent sales after 5pm of an evening. Personally I'd go further and want a ban of a 5 mile radius of the city centre to off licences. A restriction on fast food areas too, let's drive them out of the high streets.... that would help our obese lose a few pounds too. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

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