What a mess

HAVEN’T the Welsh Assembly and Carwyn Jones got anything better to do than to propose yet another upheaval by inflicting yet another reorganisation of local government on the people?

Councils were formed during the late 1800s and served right through up until 1974. It was councils like Bedwas and Machen UDC, Caerphilly UDC, Gelligaer, Cardiff City and other authorities that pioneered hospital services, the chiropody service, local health centres, water boards, gas boards, and electricity boards.

Bedwas & Machen Urban District Council prior to the 1974 reorganisation was the smallest authority in Great Britain. It had a fleet of buses of just five; and it was one of only three bus companies that made a profit. The fleet was brand new and fully paid for. They didn’t raise their fares for 10 years. You could set your watch by the punctuality of the service. They built 7,000 council houses, with practically no tenants in arrears. We were told we had to have a change. Bedwas, Gelligaer, Bargoed were all merged into one authority in a reorganisation that cost the country billions of pounds. It achieved nothing; in fact the larger authorities proved much less efficient than what they replaced.

In the early 90s, when things seemed to be settling down, yet another local government reorganisation was imposed. That reorganisation is now beginning work well; and here we come again with yet another local government reorganisation, estimated to cost £200 million at a time when we are closing A & E departments and cutting local services. What a mess!

Ray Davies Pandy Road Caerphilly

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1:50pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Walter Devereux says...

At least with the smaller councils they actually represented their communities. All that was lost with mergers into ever larger faceless entities.
At least with the smaller councils they actually represented their communities. All that was lost with mergers into ever larger faceless entities. Walter Devereux

2:23pm Thu 13 Feb 14

varteg1 says...

Each town or district needs just a small but powerful committee, elected on the basis of competency not political stance or party allegiance, to over see the running of it's area.

Most council functions can be operated on a multi task basis, where departmental overlap is made the basis for operation, i.e, highways maintenance and refuse collection.
Education and social care.

There is today absolutely no necessity to have vast chambers full of people supposedly making decisions which are actually made by full time officials, who present their findings and decisions to be invariably rubber stamped for approval.
The Council per se is supposed to supervise the budget, does it really need upwards of thirty, forty or more to do that or would not an elected management be far more effective and budget conscious?
Each town or district needs just a small but powerful committee, elected on the basis of competency not political stance or party allegiance, to over see the running of it's area. Most council functions can be operated on a multi task basis, where departmental overlap is made the basis for operation, i.e, highways maintenance and refuse collection. Education and social care. There is today absolutely no necessity to have vast chambers full of people supposedly making decisions which are actually made by full time officials, who present their findings and decisions to be invariably rubber stamped for approval. The Council per se is supposed to supervise the budget, does it really need upwards of thirty, forty or more to do that or would not an elected management be far more effective and budget conscious? varteg1

8:09pm Thu 13 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

the answer is NO the WAG has no role in wales
the answer is NO the WAG has no role in wales scraptheWAG

10:07pm Thu 13 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

scraptheWAG says... Westminister London has no role in Wales. What have a tory government got to do with Wales. Wales got too many councils.
scraptheWAG says... Westminister London has no role in Wales. What have a tory government got to do with Wales. Wales got too many councils. pwlldu

10:25pm Thu 13 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

An independant Wales wouldn't have closed the pits, poll tax or invaded two countries.
An independant Wales wouldn't have closed the pits, poll tax or invaded two countries. pwlldu

1:01am Fri 14 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

Think of all the lovely new labour parasites that larger and more useless councils generate! It would be madness to take all of those nice loyal people off the payroll. They might have to get a proper job otherwise.


www.ukipnewport.com
Think of all the lovely new labour parasites that larger and more useless councils generate! It would be madness to take all of those nice loyal people off the payroll. They might have to get a proper job otherwise. www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight

6:12am Fri 14 Feb 14

Banjalucka says...

Councils need reorganising now. Too many, staff overpaid, clls acting like super-stars and in general a gravy train.
Councils need reorganising now. Too many, staff overpaid, clls acting like super-stars and in general a gravy train. Banjalucka

7:46am Fri 14 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
An independant Wales wouldn't have closed the pits, poll tax or invaded two countries.
Give it up. That fantasy is dead. It will never happen. Wales spends more on housing benefit than it takes in tax. It has dependency on the scale of Spain, larger public sector than France and the GDP akin to Cyprus. A bigger recipe for a banana republic doesn't exist. And the Westminster attitude to independent former territories being unable to share its currency would mean a Welsh Central Bank. Has everyone stopped laughing yet?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: An independant Wales wouldn't have closed the pits, poll tax or invaded two countries.[/p][/quote]Give it up. That fantasy is dead. It will never happen. Wales spends more on housing benefit than it takes in tax. It has dependency on the scale of Spain, larger public sector than France and the GDP akin to Cyprus. A bigger recipe for a banana republic doesn't exist. And the Westminster attitude to independent former territories being unable to share its currency would mean a Welsh Central Bank. Has everyone stopped laughing yet? Llanmartinangel

7:47am Fri 14 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
scraptheWAG says... Westminister London has no role in Wales. What have a tory government got to do with Wales. Wales got too many councils.
No role in Wales? Other than sending it £10b a year it didn't earn that is.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: scraptheWAG says... Westminister London has no role in Wales. What have a tory government got to do with Wales. Wales got too many councils.[/p][/quote]No role in Wales? Other than sending it £10b a year it didn't earn that is. Llanmartinangel

11:14am Fri 14 Feb 14

theviking666 says...

people want less councils. They waste taxpayers money on new building for themselves while services decrease, this will happen again. So less councillors would be a start, but keep the councils we have now. we were better off when Islwyn was not a apart of Caerphilly. Do all council need individual services, could they be centralised to save money. Community charge is rising, councillors rates rising, but peoples pay is not. this cannot keep happening.
people want less councils. They waste taxpayers money on new building for themselves while services decrease, this will happen again. So less councillors would be a start, but keep the councils we have now. we were better off when Islwyn was not a apart of Caerphilly. Do all council need individual services, could they be centralised to save money. Community charge is rising, councillors rates rising, but peoples pay is not. this cannot keep happening. theviking666

3:29pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Poolerkev says...

Spinflight wrote:
Think of all the lovely new labour parasites that larger and more useless councils generate! It would be madness to take all of those nice loyal people off the payroll. They might have to get a proper job otherwise.


www.ukipnewport.com
And the right wing scum pond life too
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Think of all the lovely new labour parasites that larger and more useless councils generate! It would be madness to take all of those nice loyal people off the payroll. They might have to get a proper job otherwise. www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]And the right wing scum pond life too Poolerkev

3:29pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Poolerkev says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
the answer is NO the WAG has no role in wales
Talking of nothing better to do.... Hiya one trick pony..... I am coz my dad was lmao
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: the answer is NO the WAG has no role in wales[/p][/quote]Talking of nothing better to do.... Hiya one trick pony..... I am coz my dad was lmao Poolerkev

10:29pm Fri 14 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... if Wales is so dependant, why hasn't the educated English thrown Wales out of the Union. Labour needs the Welsh MP's to have a chance of winning power. While the Tories are just kind heartd towards Wales Ha Ha.
Llanmartinangel says... if Wales is so dependant, why hasn't the educated English thrown Wales out of the Union. Labour needs the Welsh MP's to have a chance of winning power. While the Tories are just kind heartd towards Wales Ha Ha. pwlldu

8:22pm Sat 15 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

pwlldu wrote:
scraptheWAG says... Westminister London has no role in Wales. What have a tory government got to do with Wales. Wales got too many councils.
when it was controlled by westminster they done a better job at every level and it cost 500 million per annum less
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: scraptheWAG says... Westminister London has no role in Wales. What have a tory government got to do with Wales. Wales got too many councils.[/p][/quote]when it was controlled by westminster they done a better job at every level and it cost 500 million per annum less scraptheWAG

8:28pm Sat 15 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

pwlldu wrote:
An independant Wales wouldn't have closed the pits, poll tax or invaded two countries.
labour never opened any pits wehn in power, the poll tax looks very cheap now after labour doubled the council tax and huge rises in wales are still yet to come and yes labour invaded two countries
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: An independant Wales wouldn't have closed the pits, poll tax or invaded two countries.[/p][/quote]labour never opened any pits wehn in power, the poll tax looks very cheap now after labour doubled the council tax and huge rises in wales are still yet to come and yes labour invaded two countries scraptheWAG

3:18pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

Wales could have 5 Regional Councils based on the Assembly regions

Do we need 32 lots of Council directors. 32 lots of admin. 32 finance departments, 32 HR departments, 32 housing departments, 32 Social service departments

There are massive saving to be made, It needs to be properly managed and driven through as the Councils will resist it and try to make it fail

We have already seen Newport & Blaenau Gwent joint Education cease. Well they never really ever joined up they had a common head they never merged the two
Wales could have 5 Regional Councils based on the Assembly regions Do we need 32 lots of Council directors. 32 lots of admin. 32 finance departments, 32 HR departments, 32 housing departments, 32 Social service departments There are massive saving to be made, It needs to be properly managed and driven through as the Councils will resist it and try to make it fail We have already seen Newport & Blaenau Gwent joint Education cease. Well they never really ever joined up they had a common head they never merged the two Bobevans

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