Lyn Jones: Dragons back to square one after Connacht shocker

Campaign Series: Lyn Jones: Dragons back to square one after Connacht shocker Lyn Jones: Dragons back to square one after Connacht shocker

DIRECTOR of rugby Lyn Jones lamented a Newport Gwent Dragons horror show after Connacht battered them up front for a bonus-point win at Rodney Parade.

The region headed into the game looking to put the heat on the Scarlets for sixth place in the RaboDirect Pro12 but instead it is the Irish province that are sniffing the final qualification spot for Europe’s premier competition after a comprehensive 24-8 success.

They ran in four tries thanks to their strong scrum and driving lineout and such was their dominance that Jones changed his front row after just half an hour with the score at 14-3.

“That was the worst opening that we’ve had all season and it took the wind out of our sails,” said Jones, whose side sit ninth after being leapfrogged by Edinburgh and Connacht.

“We’ve made such good progress throughout the season but we have taken a big backwards step in many facets of the game.

“Connacht played well and their error count was pretty low, while we were pretty poor and it’s not difficult to see where our weaknesses are.

“It’s not nice to make early replacements but we were running backwards in the scrum and had to change the front row – we didn’t concede a point while (ex-England tighthead) Duncan Bell was on.

“We have made strides as a team and as individuals this season but all the bad habits associated with Gwent rugby came back and we are back to square one.”

The Dragons will attempt to return to winning ways against Zebre in Italy on Saturday.

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6:26pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Euwan Usami says...

Has to be said that they put out the strongest side available and they played like it was a preseason run out. Simply unacceptable. Alot of individuals are being paid alot of cash to produce this. This was a must win game for us and they just didn't turn up. Pedestrian in the backs, out muscled upfront. The coaches have to take a huge share of the blame for what looked like a scratch side out there. Huge setback. Disappointed just doesn't cover it guys. LJ needs to apologise for that preparation rather than blame the players IMO.
Has to be said that they put out the strongest side available and they played like it was a preseason run out. Simply unacceptable. Alot of individuals are being paid alot of cash to produce this. This was a must win game for us and they just didn't turn up. Pedestrian in the backs, out muscled upfront. The coaches have to take a huge share of the blame for what looked like a scratch side out there. Huge setback. Disappointed just doesn't cover it guys. LJ needs to apologise for that preparation rather than blame the players IMO. Euwan Usami
  • Score: 19

9:24pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Dragonsfan81 says...

The boys today look rusty, they looked like they didn't want to play! The fowards went back at a rate of knots but that did stop when the replacement front row came on.. Personally from that performance i dont think we will get into the heineken cup but that could be a good thing! This team is still a work in progress! still 8th is better then 1 from bottom like last season aye! On a different note, when i was at county i saw kingsley talking to a guy who looked alot like gavin henson..
The boys today look rusty, they looked like they didn't want to play! The fowards went back at a rate of knots but that did stop when the replacement front row came on.. Personally from that performance i dont think we will get into the heineken cup but that could be a good thing! This team is still a work in progress! still 8th is better then 1 from bottom like last season aye! On a different note, when i was at county i saw kingsley talking to a guy who looked alot like gavin henson.. Dragonsfan81
  • Score: 11

10:06pm Sun 23 Mar 14

phantom14 says...

Coaches dont even know their best 15!
Coaches dont even know their best 15! phantom14
  • Score: 6

10:12pm Sun 23 Mar 14

phantom14 says...

Coaches dont even know their best 15!! Harries tried hard, Prydie does not enjoy the physical side of the game,Ash showed again he is our best 12 Dixon although young needs to learn to play with his head up and learn to pass.Forwards, what can you say that hasnt been said all year.As said before coaches have just rearranged the deckchairs.We made Connaght look a good side and I thought Cardiff were bad the other night.
Coaches dont even know their best 15!! Harries tried hard, Prydie does not enjoy the physical side of the game,Ash showed again he is our best 12 Dixon although young needs to learn to play with his head up and learn to pass.Forwards, what can you say that hasnt been said all year.As said before coaches have just rearranged the deckchairs.We made Connaght look a good side and I thought Cardiff were bad the other night. phantom14
  • Score: 6

10:15pm Sun 23 Mar 14

silurix says...

I'm trying to find some positives but that was dire. On that performance they will end the season in a similar position to last season. Even the Blues could overtake them. It looked like Ireland v Wales all over again.
I'm trying to find some positives but that was dire. On that performance they will end the season in a similar position to last season. Even the Blues could overtake them. It looked like Ireland v Wales all over again. silurix
  • Score: 11

11:31pm Sun 23 Mar 14

SWBorderer says...

What an awful situation when one man dragged out of retirement and can only put in a short shift manages to show more effort and committment than the rest of the team put together. We have been banging on for years now about the need for a front row that can give us a platform, well Duncan Bell hammered that message well and truly home tonight, l would have made him man of the match simply as the one man who made such a significant impact on the game.
l support this coaching set up wholeheartedly but they need to take a long hard look at themselves tonight. As for the majority of the players, l think we are due an appology for a complete no show.
What an awful situation when one man dragged out of retirement and can only put in a short shift manages to show more effort and committment than the rest of the team put together. We have been banging on for years now about the need for a front row that can give us a platform, well Duncan Bell hammered that message well and truly home tonight, l would have made him man of the match simply as the one man who made such a significant impact on the game. l support this coaching set up wholeheartedly but they need to take a long hard look at themselves tonight. As for the majority of the players, l think we are due an appology for a complete no show. SWBorderer
  • Score: 18

1:14am Mon 24 Mar 14

DaiFrank says...

phantom14 wrote:
Coaches dont even know their best 15!! Harries tried hard, Prydie does not enjoy the physical side of the game,Ash showed again he is our best 12 Dixon although young needs to learn to play with his head up and learn to pass.Forwards, what can you say that hasnt been said all year.As said before coaches have just rearranged the deckchairs.We made Connaght look a good side and I thought Cardiff were bad the other night.
'We made Connacht look a good side'! You are deluded! They are a better side with decent players and with good coaches. You should face up to a long-lasting reality since 2003.
[quote][p][bold]phantom14[/bold] wrote: Coaches dont even know their best 15!! Harries tried hard, Prydie does not enjoy the physical side of the game,Ash showed again he is our best 12 Dixon although young needs to learn to play with his head up and learn to pass.Forwards, what can you say that hasnt been said all year.As said before coaches have just rearranged the deckchairs.We made Connaght look a good side and I thought Cardiff were bad the other night.[/p][/quote]'We made Connacht look a good side'! You are deluded! They are a better side with decent players and with good coaches. You should face up to a long-lasting reality since 2003. DaiFrank
  • Score: -6

1:30am Mon 24 Mar 14

DaiFrank says...

It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU. DaiFrank
  • Score: -25

9:39am Mon 24 Mar 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

This is what happens when organisations seize control by deception. 12 years of mediocrity which will continue until the side becomes a region and attracts supporters from areas that cultivate the players.
This is what happens when organisations seize control by deception. 12 years of mediocrity which will continue until the side becomes a region and attracts supporters from areas that cultivate the players. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -15

10:02am Mon 24 Mar 14

silurix says...

Dai - some of your criticism is justified but, as usual, you go completely over the top. I don't know many supporters who would be "placated" by Henson's presence. If paying him a fancy wage meant less funding for competent tight 5 forwards then I would imagine it would be just the opposite. The Dragons have improved this season - it would be hard not to after last year. But they have little room to manouevre - they have to play at somewhere near maximum capacity to be competitive. With one or two exceptions they were nowhere near that level yesterday. Players and coaches need to reflect on that. Lets see what happens at Zebre before condemning them completely.
Dai - some of your criticism is justified but, as usual, you go completely over the top. I don't know many supporters who would be "placated" by Henson's presence. If paying him a fancy wage meant less funding for competent tight 5 forwards then I would imagine it would be just the opposite. The Dragons have improved this season - it would be hard not to after last year. But they have little room to manouevre - they have to play at somewhere near maximum capacity to be competitive. With one or two exceptions they were nowhere near that level yesterday. Players and coaches need to reflect on that. Lets see what happens at Zebre before condemning them completely. silurix
  • Score: 12

2:24pm Mon 24 Mar 14

hazellboy says...

Gwent rugby will always struggle, Newport rugby could be a lot better? Hmmm
Gwent rugby will always struggle, Newport rugby could be a lot better? Hmmm hazellboy
  • Score: -6

2:55pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Robert Shillabeer says...

DaiFrank wrote:
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday.
[quote][p][bold]DaiFrank[/bold] wrote: It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.[/p][/quote]You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday. Robert Shillabeer
  • Score: 7

3:14pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Mr Bump. says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
DaiFrank wrote:
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday.
What an illiterate post.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaiFrank[/bold] wrote: It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.[/p][/quote]You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday.[/p][/quote]What an illiterate post. Mr Bump.
  • Score: -10

3:16pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Mr Bump. says...

DaiFrank wrote:
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
Great post. Lyn should resign straight away, if he is any kind of decent human being.
[quote][p][bold]DaiFrank[/bold] wrote: It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.[/p][/quote]Great post. Lyn should resign straight away, if he is any kind of decent human being. Mr Bump.
  • Score: -9

3:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Thor at the door says...

All the experts out on here! One bad game and it's all doom and gloom! We are rebuilding, so lets give Lyn a chance and whats wrong with players having a bad day at the office?

We all have them! they are only human! I bet most of the of the posters on here have never played the game at any respectible level!
All the experts out on here! One bad game and it's all doom and gloom! We are rebuilding, so lets give Lyn a chance and whats wrong with players having a bad day at the office? We all have them! they are only human! I bet most of the of the posters on here have never played the game at any respectible level! Thor at the door
  • Score: 10

6:58pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Amber in the blood says...

DaiFrank wrote:
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
Totally agree Dai, the Jones boys should step down,that performance was not acceptable,they sent the team up. I read these post on here and laugh at the comments - open your eyes people !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]DaiFrank[/bold] wrote: It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Dai, the Jones boys should step down,that performance was not acceptable,they sent the team up. I read these post on here and laugh at the comments - open your eyes people !!!!!!! Amber in the blood
  • Score: -8

7:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

phantom14 says...

Agree, The only difference was early season when as always happens players up their games to try and impress new coaches, that now has worn off.People got excited when we beat Cardiff but they have been and are terrible.Never mind we will be told all is well when we beat Zebra who always seem to battle out botton of the table with Connacht.All the regions have got worse this year with the Ospreys respectable.Time for the coaching team to decide what their best team is and give them a run of games subject to injury.I would have Smith and Leach in the centre, Harries and Wardle on wing but we need some ball first!!!
Agree, The only difference was early season when as always happens players up their games to try and impress new coaches, that now has worn off.People got excited when we beat Cardiff but they have been and are terrible.Never mind we will be told all is well when we beat Zebra who always seem to battle out botton of the table with Connacht.All the regions have got worse this year with the Ospreys respectable.Time for the coaching team to decide what their best team is and give them a run of games subject to injury.I would have Smith and Leach in the centre, Harries and Wardle on wing but we need some ball first!!! phantom14
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

SWBorderer says...

Zebre may not offer much but they do have a decent pack. They will probably concentrate on that and we will need to improve out of sight if we're going to get anything unless someone can find some rejuvanating fluid for Duncan Bell.
All due respect to the fella but what a sad indictment on Gwent rugby when we can't produce one decent prop, never thought l would live to see that day.
Zebre may not offer much but they do have a decent pack. They will probably concentrate on that and we will need to improve out of sight if we're going to get anything unless someone can find some rejuvanating fluid for Duncan Bell. All due respect to the fella but what a sad indictment on Gwent rugby when we can't produce one decent prop, never thought l would live to see that day. SWBorderer
  • Score: 6

8:25pm Mon 24 Mar 14

blackandamber says...

Amber in the blood wrote:
DaiFrank wrote:
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
Totally agree Dai, the Jones boys should step down,that performance was not acceptable,they sent the team up. I read these post on here and laugh at the comments - open your eyes people !!!!!!!
Hang on a minute . This is a team they inherited. Whilst I agree that yesterday was dreadful even by Dragons standards, you cannot build a team in one season. And the new coaches need to be given time to sign new players that they want and the region can afford.
[quote][p][bold]Amber in the blood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaiFrank[/bold] wrote: It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Dai, the Jones boys should step down,that performance was not acceptable,they sent the team up. I read these post on here and laugh at the comments - open your eyes people !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Hang on a minute . This is a team they inherited. Whilst I agree that yesterday was dreadful even by Dragons standards, you cannot build a team in one season. And the new coaches need to be given time to sign new players that they want and the region can afford. blackandamber
  • Score: 11

9:34pm Mon 24 Mar 14

jd1234 says...

Whaat! Send for the 'Moorings Marauder.'
Whaat! Send for the 'Moorings Marauder.' jd1234
  • Score: 0

10:09pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Dragonsfan81 says...

I must say that with Aled Brew coming back home he will be more physical then will harris, harris was good yesterday but smashed back in tackles, i think brew will add more strength in the wings next season! Seems like henson is coming to me though, im sure he will perform if he isnt bogged down with injuries!
I must say that with Aled Brew coming back home he will be more physical then will harris, harris was good yesterday but smashed back in tackles, i think brew will add more strength in the wings next season! Seems like henson is coming to me though, im sure he will perform if he isnt bogged down with injuries! Dragonsfan81
  • Score: 2

10:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

b3talover says...

Square one? That's being a bit kind...
Square one? That's being a bit kind... b3talover
  • Score: -1

11:15pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Mr Bump. says...

Thor at the door wrote:
All the experts out on here! One bad game and it's all doom and gloom! We are rebuilding, so lets give Lyn a chance and whats wrong with players having a bad day at the office?

We all have them! they are only human! I bet most of the of the posters on here have never played the game at any respectible level!
One bad game? Give yourself a slap, Over the course of the season they are no better off than they have been for 8 seasons.
[quote][p][bold]Thor at the door[/bold] wrote: All the experts out on here! One bad game and it's all doom and gloom! We are rebuilding, so lets give Lyn a chance and whats wrong with players having a bad day at the office? We all have them! they are only human! I bet most of the of the posters on here have never played the game at any respectible level![/p][/quote]One bad game? Give yourself a slap, Over the course of the season they are no better off than they have been for 8 seasons. Mr Bump.
  • Score: -5

7:10am Tue 25 Mar 14

CaptainB says...

BRING BACK DARREN EDWARDS, THEN WE CAN ALL BLAME HIM!!!!!
BRING BACK DARREN EDWARDS, THEN WE CAN ALL BLAME HIM!!!!! CaptainB
  • Score: -3

10:11am Tue 25 Mar 14

DaiFrank says...

Mr Bump. wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
DaiFrank wrote:
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday.
What an illiterate post.
Yes I struggled to understand his post also. As usual he has those spectacular rose-tinted glasses on but this time the wrong way round!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bump.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaiFrank[/bold] wrote: It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.[/p][/quote]You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday.[/p][/quote]What an illiterate post.[/p][/quote]Yes I struggled to understand his post also. As usual he has those spectacular rose-tinted glasses on but this time the wrong way round! DaiFrank
  • Score: -5

10:19am Tue 25 Mar 14

DaiFrank says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
DaiFrank wrote:
It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.
You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday.
'We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra' !!!!!! lol This is your reality. I'm not holding my breath to see them put things right against an average side, let alone a top side on any consistent level. Gwyn Jones on scrum v was brutally honest (you probably think he was 'rude') about the team although my only disagreement with him is that many aren't just average, but mediocre.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaiFrank[/bold] wrote: It's a disaster top-down at RP. The board are useless and have been for years. Lyn 'Gwent Dragons' Jones and his side-kick Comrade Kingsley have not improved on a poor team. The team itself have been and continue to be poor but have not shown any improvement under their tutelage. If they lose at that famous club next week (Zebre) then the Jones's, who I've always said are poor, should follow the lead of Phil Davies and wave goodbye. Moreover, the board should take shock therapy because they hired these people believe that you lot will be placated by Hensen next season because they (cynically) think he will 'put bums on seats' lol. Of course Hazell et al only think of themselves and their little outings and freebies. They have no interest at all in success particularly when money was guaranteed from the WRU.[/p][/quote]You didn't like the game then Dai? You have said nothing constructive in your posting only rude untruths. Never thought you would do a rant like that load of tosh mate. The Dragons didn't perform your right but it's was a bit of a blip in many way. Tovey was off, the front three weren't in the game and caused the trouble for the backs. Connaught are not the best side in the world but they did what they did quite well and with no obstacle against them it should have been a bigger score line. If the front don't perform the backs are always under pressure. We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra so let's hope the right front row plays far better than they did yesterday.[/p][/quote]'We have a chance to put it right on Saturday against Zebra' !!!!!! lol This is your reality. I'm not holding my breath to see them put things right against an average side, let alone a top side on any consistent level. Gwyn Jones on scrum v was brutally honest (you probably think he was 'rude') about the team although my only disagreement with him is that many aren't just average, but mediocre. DaiFrank
  • Score: -5

12:53pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ollie72 says...

Come on guys - for all of those on here that have actually played, you know the score. If you have a better pack than the opposition, you change your game plan to concentrate on the forward game. If the opposition pack is better, you get the ball out quickly, and move the bigger pack around.

Rugby is all about exerting pressure where the opponent is weakest, and our tight 5 couldn't do the job on Sunday so Connacht exploited it. The only way to counter would have been to put the wheel on (and hope the ref didn't notice), and go for route 1 ball on our put in.

I like what the Jones' are doing, and look forward to what they are capable of with a strong tighthead, Henson, Brew and Byrne. If we can pick up a beast in the second row over the close season - and I know of a couple of 6'8 20 stone beasts in the lower leagues in Newport - then we can start to hold out our scrum and let the backs loose.

No doubt it was a poor result - but the sky isn't falling...
Come on guys - for all of those on here that have actually played, you know the score. If you have a better pack than the opposition, you change your game plan to concentrate on the forward game. If the opposition pack is better, you get the ball out quickly, and move the bigger pack around. Rugby is all about exerting pressure where the opponent is weakest, and our tight 5 couldn't do the job on Sunday so Connacht exploited it. The only way to counter would have been to put the wheel on (and hope the ref didn't notice), and go for route 1 ball on our put in. I like what the Jones' are doing, and look forward to what they are capable of with a strong tighthead, Henson, Brew and Byrne. If we can pick up a beast in the second row over the close season - and I know of a couple of 6'8 20 stone beasts in the lower leagues in Newport - then we can start to hold out our scrum and let the backs loose. No doubt it was a poor result - but the sky isn't falling... ollie72
  • Score: 8

1:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

East Newport Dave says...

ollie72 wrote:
Come on guys - for all of those on here that have actually played, you know the score. If you have a better pack than the opposition, you change your game plan to concentrate on the forward game. If the opposition pack is better, you get the ball out quickly, and move the bigger pack around.

Rugby is all about exerting pressure where the opponent is weakest, and our tight 5 couldn't do the job on Sunday so Connacht exploited it. The only way to counter would have been to put the wheel on (and hope the ref didn't notice), and go for route 1 ball on our put in.

I like what the Jones' are doing, and look forward to what they are capable of with a strong tighthead, Henson, Brew and Byrne. If we can pick up a beast in the second row over the close season - and I know of a couple of 6'8 20 stone beasts in the lower leagues in Newport - then we can start to hold out our scrum and let the backs loose.

No doubt it was a poor result - but the sky isn't falling...
I agree with Ollie72. Unfortunately, the current front five forwards are not up to it. Needs must and we may need to pay out some big salaries to some big men
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: Come on guys - for all of those on here that have actually played, you know the score. If you have a better pack than the opposition, you change your game plan to concentrate on the forward game. If the opposition pack is better, you get the ball out quickly, and move the bigger pack around. Rugby is all about exerting pressure where the opponent is weakest, and our tight 5 couldn't do the job on Sunday so Connacht exploited it. The only way to counter would have been to put the wheel on (and hope the ref didn't notice), and go for route 1 ball on our put in. I like what the Jones' are doing, and look forward to what they are capable of with a strong tighthead, Henson, Brew and Byrne. If we can pick up a beast in the second row over the close season - and I know of a couple of 6'8 20 stone beasts in the lower leagues in Newport - then we can start to hold out our scrum and let the backs loose. No doubt it was a poor result - but the sky isn't falling...[/p][/quote]I agree with Ollie72. Unfortunately, the current front five forwards are not up to it. Needs must and we may need to pay out some big salaries to some big men East Newport Dave
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ollie72 says...

So are there any world famous cloning scientists resident in Newport?

Perhaps it's time to clone Duncan Bell - what a cameo that was! I hope he gets something from the Dragons at the end of the season for dragging himself out of retirement for the cause...

Apprently he's head coach at Lydney, perhaps we could send a couple of academy props up there to play for him next year?
So are there any world famous cloning scientists resident in Newport? Perhaps it's time to clone Duncan Bell - what a cameo that was! I hope he gets something from the Dragons at the end of the season for dragging himself out of retirement for the cause... Apprently he's head coach at Lydney, perhaps we could send a couple of academy props up there to play for him next year? ollie72
  • Score: 4

6:46pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Euwan Usami says...

ollie72 wrote:
Come on guys - for all of those on here that have actually played, you know the score. If you have a better pack than the opposition, you change your game plan to concentrate on the forward game. If the opposition pack is better, you get the ball out quickly, and move the bigger pack around.

Rugby is all about exerting pressure where the opponent is weakest, and our tight 5 couldn't do the job on Sunday so Connacht exploited it. The only way to counter would have been to put the wheel on (and hope the ref didn't notice), and go for route 1 ball on our put in.

I like what the Jones' are doing, and look forward to what they are capable of with a strong tighthead, Henson, Brew and Byrne. If we can pick up a beast in the second row over the close season - and I know of a couple of 6'8 20 stone beasts in the lower leagues in Newport - then we can start to hold out our scrum and let the backs loose.

No doubt it was a poor result - but the sky isn't falling...
It wasn't simply the tight 5 to be fair Ollie. Every aspect of the Dragons performance was poor. In a vitally important game they went awol. I agree the highlight of the match was Duncan Bells cameo. The first scrum was as marked as it could be example of the importance of a quality tight head. To go from running backward to forcing their front row to stand up was incredible. But with a two week break the team should have been fit and sharp but looked like they hadn't seen a rugby ball before. It was a big set back. LJ face during his interview said it all really. A tight win was the minimum requirement. Getting mullered and playing like school boys was not an option.
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: Come on guys - for all of those on here that have actually played, you know the score. If you have a better pack than the opposition, you change your game plan to concentrate on the forward game. If the opposition pack is better, you get the ball out quickly, and move the bigger pack around. Rugby is all about exerting pressure where the opponent is weakest, and our tight 5 couldn't do the job on Sunday so Connacht exploited it. The only way to counter would have been to put the wheel on (and hope the ref didn't notice), and go for route 1 ball on our put in. I like what the Jones' are doing, and look forward to what they are capable of with a strong tighthead, Henson, Brew and Byrne. If we can pick up a beast in the second row over the close season - and I know of a couple of 6'8 20 stone beasts in the lower leagues in Newport - then we can start to hold out our scrum and let the backs loose. No doubt it was a poor result - but the sky isn't falling...[/p][/quote]It wasn't simply the tight 5 to be fair Ollie. Every aspect of the Dragons performance was poor. In a vitally important game they went awol. I agree the highlight of the match was Duncan Bells cameo. The first scrum was as marked as it could be example of the importance of a quality tight head. To go from running backward to forcing their front row to stand up was incredible. But with a two week break the team should have been fit and sharp but looked like they hadn't seen a rugby ball before. It was a big set back. LJ face during his interview said it all really. A tight win was the minimum requirement. Getting mullered and playing like school boys was not an option. Euwan Usami
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Caerleonboy says...

That and the fact we had a player playing out of position at hooker. We couldn't win our own lineout ball, largely due to awful throwing in, and with the scrum going back as well we had no platform to play off
That and the fact we had a player playing out of position at hooker. We couldn't win our own lineout ball, largely due to awful throwing in, and with the scrum going back as well we had no platform to play off Caerleonboy
  • Score: 3

7:45pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Amber in the blood says...

When you add all points up everyone has brought up on this forum it all points to a very poor set up. If people think that this coaching set up as improved this team they are delusional. Ollie72 makes some valid points,but when you have to bring a guy out of retirement to shore up the scrum ,that speaks volumes of the ability of two ex forwards and there coaching." I thought there job was to improve players".
When you add all points up everyone has brought up on this forum it all points to a very poor set up. If people think that this coaching set up as improved this team they are delusional. Ollie72 makes some valid points,but when you have to bring a guy out of retirement to shore up the scrum ,that speaks volumes of the ability of two ex forwards and there coaching." I thought there job was to improve players". Amber in the blood
  • Score: -1

11:21pm Tue 25 Mar 14

SWBorderer says...

The old saying about silk purses comes to mind and with the exceotion of Mr. Bell, we have a lot of sow's ears in the front row, l can't see any point in keeping any of them, l did think Price could develop into a decent loose head but l don't see any prospects from the rest.
As for the second row, l fear this has been a season too far for Sid, he has been a dogged warrior and owes us nothing but it really is time to call it a day. Shame we can't entice Charteris back, he may possibly get released if they get relegated so hopefully there is a chance.
The old saying about silk purses comes to mind and with the exceotion of Mr. Bell, we have a lot of sow's ears in the front row, l can't see any point in keeping any of them, l did think Price could develop into a decent loose head but l don't see any prospects from the rest. As for the second row, l fear this has been a season too far for Sid, he has been a dogged warrior and owes us nothing but it really is time to call it a day. Shame we can't entice Charteris back, he may possibly get released if they get relegated so hopefully there is a chance. SWBorderer
  • Score: 2

7:03am Wed 26 Mar 14

East Newport Dave says...

I think probable the whole set up needs to be looked at. I don't know what the most recent situation is but until recently the Dragons had 2 analysts in the backroom staff being paid £50k each. I was reliably informed that this was just one example of an overly large support staff. I would rather see the 'hangers-on' cut loose and the saving spent on some quality in the front row. Charteris and Lydiate won't stay in France for ever and once they've taken a tidy sum from the French they'll be back. We need to ensure it's not for the Blues or the Ospreys. But most importantly, we need top level props and will probably need to pay out upwards of £250-300k per year. Without them the scrum will continue to back pedal and even if we had Dan Carter behind the scrum, we still get a good stuffing.
I think probable the whole set up needs to be looked at. I don't know what the most recent situation is but until recently the Dragons had 2 analysts in the backroom staff being paid £50k each. I was reliably informed that this was just one example of an overly large support staff. I would rather see the 'hangers-on' cut loose and the saving spent on some quality in the front row. Charteris and Lydiate won't stay in France for ever and once they've taken a tidy sum from the French they'll be back. We need to ensure it's not for the Blues or the Ospreys. But most importantly, we need top level props and will probably need to pay out upwards of £250-300k per year. Without them the scrum will continue to back pedal and even if we had Dan Carter behind the scrum, we still get a good stuffing. East Newport Dave
  • Score: 5

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