Ebbw Vale experiment shelved while Newport Gwent Dragons canvass opinion on region's future

NEWPORT Gwent Dragons have put plans to play a game in Ebbw Vale next season on the back burner while they conduct some detailed market research into the future of the region, writes Chris Kirwan.

For the second successive campaign the Dragons explored the possibility of playing an LV= Cup encounter at Eugene Cross Park but have decided to stick at Rodney Parade.

The region release details about 2013/14 season tickets today and don't believe it would be fair to make a decision about playing north of the M4 before canvassing the opinion of punters.

They did explore the possibility of leaving an Anglo-Welsh Cup game off the season ticket, making it an all-pay affair at a venue to be confirmed.

However, the board have opted to hold fire while conducting market research into what direction the region should go in.

It comes after the debacle over a new logo when a web vote was aborted after just 16 hours because of a feisty reaction from those that wanted a heavier Newport emphasis and those that want to be known simply as the Dragons.

"We have no data on anything and that is a weakness of the business," admitted chief executive Gareth Davies. "Over time decisions have been taken – or not been taken – on gut feeling.

"In the next few months we will get proper evidence and conduct proper market research into what people want."

Meanwhile, Davies is encouraged that Welsh Rugby Union chairman David Pickering expressed his wish to support the regions.

The Dragons boss had previously questioned whether the governing body wanted Newport Gwent Dragons, the Ospreys, Scarlets and Cardiff Blues to succeed.

Regional Rugby Wales are yet to agree on a new participation agreement with the current deal expiring at the end of June.

"I'd like to think that David sees this opportunity and this situation as being critical for the future," said Davies. "I'm delighted to have heard him come out with supportive comments."

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9:28am Fri 9 May 14

a465hov says...

Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..
Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't.. a465hov
  • Score: 12

9:43am Fri 9 May 14

munkian says...

a465hov wrote:
Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..
How is a business conducting market research a bad thing ?

Would any other business decide to set up shop somewhere without looking at public interest first ?

A bus every hour ? Not exactly perfect, especially when the games are usually early Friday evening.
[quote][p][bold]a465hov[/bold] wrote: Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..[/p][/quote]How is a business conducting market research a bad thing ? Would any other business decide to set up shop somewhere without looking at public interest first ? A bus every hour ? Not exactly perfect, especially when the games are usually early Friday evening. munkian
  • Score: 22

9:58am Fri 9 May 14

Dai Trying says...

I may be wrong but I belienve the market research is more of a company branding operation, than a venue location factor. Newport is very unlikely not to be the main venue, however taking the team out to the region is a positive thing, that should be applauded. If the good folk of Newport find it a little inconvenient to get to a venue within the region then they should just spare a thought for the the folk of the outer Newport area who have that problem for EVERY match. Why not use a car, get your mates to share the cost and have a few beers when you get back home, sorted.
I may be wrong but I belienve the market research is more of a company branding operation, than a venue location factor. Newport is very unlikely not to be the main venue, however taking the team out to the region is a positive thing, that should be applauded. If the good folk of Newport find it a little inconvenient to get to a venue within the region then they should just spare a thought for the the folk of the outer Newport area who have that problem for EVERY match. Why not use a car, get your mates to share the cost and have a few beers when you get back home, sorted. Dai Trying
  • Score: 12

10:27am Fri 9 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

a465hov wrote:
Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..
Where did this "region for Gwent" nonsense come from? Consult WRU and cub statements at he time and you'll find no such references. It was a merger between Newport and Ebbw Vale and nothing else.. and the latter turned tail and scarpered when they realised they'd have to put up (financially) or shut up.
[quote][p][bold]a465hov[/bold] wrote: Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..[/p][/quote]Where did this "region for Gwent" nonsense come from? Consult WRU and cub statements at he time and you'll find no such references. It was a merger between Newport and Ebbw Vale and nothing else.. and the latter turned tail and scarpered when they realised they'd have to put up (financially) or shut up. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 7

10:37am Fri 9 May 14

a465hov says...

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Where did this "region for Gwent" nonsense come from? Consult WRU and cub statements at he time and you'll find no such references. It was a merger between Newport and Ebbw Vale and nothing else.. and the latter turned tail and scarpered when they realised they'd have to put up (financially) or shut up.

You've just undermined you're own argument. So Newport alone has two teams playing in roughly the same colours, at the same ground with the same name. How is this possible?? Make your mind up Newport RFC or NGD, one of them has to go surely!!
The People's Republic of Newp says... Where did this "region for Gwent" nonsense come from? Consult WRU and cub statements at he time and you'll find no such references. It was a merger between Newport and Ebbw Vale and nothing else.. and the latter turned tail and scarpered when they realised they'd have to put up (financially) or shut up. You've just undermined you're own argument. So Newport alone has two teams playing in roughly the same colours, at the same ground with the same name. How is this possible?? Make your mind up Newport RFC or NGD, one of them has to go surely!! a465hov
  • Score: 2

10:54am Fri 9 May 14

saltheartfoamfollower says...

Here we go again,the same old problem at the end of each season.What to do ? what not to do?.Mustn't upset the"Townies" they may not support NGD the "boyos "wont come because newport is in the name.Puff the magic dragon is upset because only is rrrrs end is on the jersey What an absolute cockup it's been since day one.A board that is afraid to make a decision,a CEO who has one foot in D.P and t'other up the chimney and an under achieving side that is a sleeping Giant and an element of the supporters who will never be satisfied and who seem to revel at every opportunity to post a load of bilge on this web site.
Just call the region " Dragons"(because that's what everyone shouts now).Take the odd game in to the region(keep the valleys happy) Attract more investment(the most difficult) and use wisely.It's not rocket science it's just having the courage to make the changes.Go on Gareth,Martin,et al I dare you.
The region release details of the 2013/14 season today?Should that be 2014/15.What chance do we have?
Here we go again,the same old problem at the end of each season.What to do ? what not to do?.Mustn't upset the"Townies" they may not support NGD the "boyos "wont come because newport is in the name.Puff the magic dragon is upset because only is rrrrs end is on the jersey What an absolute cockup it's been since day one.A board that is afraid to make a decision,a CEO who has one foot in D.P and t'other up the chimney and an under achieving side that is a sleeping Giant and an element of the supporters who will never be satisfied and who seem to revel at every opportunity to post a load of bilge on this web site. Just call the region " Dragons"(because that's what everyone shouts now).Take the odd game in to the region(keep the valleys happy) Attract more investment(the most difficult) and use wisely.It's not rocket science it's just having the courage to make the changes.Go on Gareth,Martin,et al I dare you. The region release details of the 2013/14 season today?Should that be 2014/15.What chance do we have? saltheartfoamfollower
  • Score: 11

11:29am Fri 9 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

a465hov wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp says...

Where did this "region for Gwent" nonsense come from? Consult WRU and cub statements at he time and you'll find no such references. It was a merger between Newport and Ebbw Vale and nothing else.. and the latter turned tail and scarpered when they realised they'd have to put up (financially) or shut up.

You've just undermined you're own argument. So Newport alone has two teams playing in roughly the same colours, at the same ground with the same name. How is this possible?? Make your mind up Newport RFC or NGD, one of them has to go surely!!
Makes perfect sense, my only point was that the first mention of 'Gwent' was when the oh-so-sensitive-and-
unerringly-intellige
nt Moffett imposed the moniker.

I'm not responsible for this mess, and I don't have to make any decisions. We should have had regions proper or super clubs. Had ALL clubs been forced to step down to make way for proper regions - or had a select number of the most economically viable clubs been elevated to super club status - we'd be past this now. Blame the administrators, not me for expressing a viewpoint.
[quote][p][bold]a465hov[/bold] wrote: The People's Republic of Newp says... Where did this "region for Gwent" nonsense come from? Consult WRU and cub statements at he time and you'll find no such references. It was a merger between Newport and Ebbw Vale and nothing else.. and the latter turned tail and scarpered when they realised they'd have to put up (financially) or shut up. You've just undermined you're own argument. So Newport alone has two teams playing in roughly the same colours, at the same ground with the same name. How is this possible?? Make your mind up Newport RFC or NGD, one of them has to go surely!![/p][/quote]Makes perfect sense, my only point was that the first mention of 'Gwent' was when the oh-so-sensitive-and- unerringly-intellige nt Moffett imposed the moniker. I'm not responsible for this mess, and I don't have to make any decisions. We should have had regions proper or super clubs. Had ALL clubs been forced to step down to make way for proper regions - or had a select number of the most economically viable clubs been elevated to super club status - we'd be past this now. Blame the administrators, not me for expressing a viewpoint. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 8

11:29am Fri 9 May 14

davidjohnedwards says...

This again is a board being taken over by the valley commandos... I am sure that the powers that be will only want one thing anyway and that is to remove the only marketable name from the team name. Just like in Europe, if they don't get the right answer from the "market research" and it shows that Newport as a more prominent name is found to be what the majority want they will simply lose the data and wait a little while to do more "market research" until they get the answer they want.

Gwent as a concept for a team is absolutely ridiculous and the Dragons nicname is so overused I wouldn't know whether I was supporting an Australian rugby side or a firm of taxis!!!

If they have any business acumen between them (and ir's clear they don't) they would simply rebrand to the proper Newport RFC branding and watch supporters come back.

Haven't watched a professional match at RP for 7 years (used to go to all the matches even when I lived up North) and will never go again until they sort out this plastic mess and revert to the only real brand that could work...
This again is a board being taken over by the valley commandos... I am sure that the powers that be will only want one thing anyway and that is to remove the only marketable name from the team name. Just like in Europe, if they don't get the right answer from the "market research" and it shows that Newport as a more prominent name is found to be what the majority want they will simply lose the data and wait a little while to do more "market research" until they get the answer they want. Gwent as a concept for a team is absolutely ridiculous and the Dragons nicname is so overused I wouldn't know whether I was supporting an Australian rugby side or a firm of taxis!!! If they have any business acumen between them (and ir's clear they don't) they would simply rebrand to the proper Newport RFC branding and watch supporters come back. Haven't watched a professional match at RP for 7 years (used to go to all the matches even when I lived up North) and will never go again until they sort out this plastic mess and revert to the only real brand that could work... davidjohnedwards
  • Score: 3

11:47am Fri 9 May 14

Walter Devereux says...

I totally agree Dave. Switch your season ticket to the County as I have! That is a proper brand playing professional matches at RP. No more rugby until the regional mess is over.
I totally agree Dave. Switch your season ticket to the County as I have! That is a proper brand playing professional matches at RP. No more rugby until the regional mess is over. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 1

11:56am Fri 9 May 14

blackandamber says...

saltheartfoamfollowe
r
wrote:
Here we go again,the same old problem at the end of each season.What to do ? what not to do?.Mustn't upset the"Townies" they may not support NGD the "boyos "wont come because newport is in the name.Puff the magic dragon is upset because only is rrrrs end is on the jersey What an absolute cockup it's been since day one.A board that is afraid to make a decision,a CEO who has one foot in D.P and t'other up the chimney and an under achieving side that is a sleeping Giant and an element of the supporters who will never be satisfied and who seem to revel at every opportunity to post a load of bilge on this web site.
Just call the region " Dragons"(because that's what everyone shouts now).Take the odd game in to the region(keep the valleys happy) Attract more investment(the most difficult) and use wisely.It's not rocket science it's just having the courage to make the changes.Go on Gareth,Martin,et al I dare you.
The region release details of the 2013/14 season today?Should that be 2014/15.What chance do we have?
Ebbw Vale is a town full of townies is it not.
[quote][p][bold]saltheartfoamfollowe r[/bold] wrote: Here we go again,the same old problem at the end of each season.What to do ? what not to do?.Mustn't upset the"Townies" they may not support NGD the "boyos "wont come because newport is in the name.Puff the magic dragon is upset because only is rrrrs end is on the jersey What an absolute cockup it's been since day one.A board that is afraid to make a decision,a CEO who has one foot in D.P and t'other up the chimney and an under achieving side that is a sleeping Giant and an element of the supporters who will never be satisfied and who seem to revel at every opportunity to post a load of bilge on this web site. Just call the region " Dragons"(because that's what everyone shouts now).Take the odd game in to the region(keep the valleys happy) Attract more investment(the most difficult) and use wisely.It's not rocket science it's just having the courage to make the changes.Go on Gareth,Martin,et al I dare you. The region release details of the 2013/14 season today?Should that be 2014/15.What chance do we have?[/p][/quote]Ebbw Vale is a town full of townies is it not. blackandamber
  • Score: 4

1:16pm Fri 9 May 14

Calon_Lan says...

Actually I think you are being rather economical with the truth there Mr Republic. As I remember Newport’s money bags – Tony Brown was the first to walk away in a childish dispute over the name, leaving Ebbw Vale to set up the side and progress it to the start of the season. Ebbw Vale raised concerns over the WRU’s commitment to the region from the start, particularly as the business model proposed was fundamentally flawed and the regional sides were in effect setting themselves up for failure. Rather than being associated with a company that was doomed to go bust Ebbw Vale RFC withdrew and Tony Brown returned and blew millions of pounds of his own cash before finally declaring that the business was effectively bust in 2003. He wouldn’t listen to Ebbw Vale then but it’s true what they say “A fool and his money are soon parted”.
NGD have carped and complained about the WRU investment ever since and the business model is still doomed to failure whilst the team on the field have achieved absolutely nothing.
Really! How much more data does Davies need????
Actually I think you are being rather economical with the truth there Mr Republic. As I remember Newport’s money bags – Tony Brown was the first to walk away in a childish dispute over the name, leaving Ebbw Vale to set up the side and progress it to the start of the season. Ebbw Vale raised concerns over the WRU’s commitment to the region from the start, particularly as the business model proposed was fundamentally flawed and the regional sides were in effect setting themselves up for failure. Rather than being associated with a company that was doomed to go bust Ebbw Vale RFC withdrew and Tony Brown returned and blew millions of pounds of his own cash before finally declaring that the business was effectively bust in 2003. He wouldn’t listen to Ebbw Vale then but it’s true what they say “A fool and his money are soon parted”. NGD have carped and complained about the WRU investment ever since and the business model is still doomed to failure whilst the team on the field have achieved absolutely nothing. Really! How much more data does Davies need???? Calon_Lan
  • Score: -2

1:20pm Fri 9 May 14

exilegareth says...

munkian wrote:
a465hov wrote: Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..
How is a business conducting market research a bad thing ? Would any other business decide to set up shop somewhere without looking at public interest first ? A bus every hour ? Not exactly perfect, especially when the games are usually early Friday evening.
Please stop it, you're making me laugh too much.
This is the region where the newly appointed marketing genius thought the best way to test some new logos (which is not a re-branding exercise by the way) was to put them on the internet so that the whole exercise could be easily spoofed by all and sundry.
No disrespect to t'other Gareth, but I'm not holding my breath for the results of any research that comes out of the same marketing department.
[quote][p][bold]munkian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a465hov[/bold] wrote: Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..[/p][/quote]How is a business conducting market research a bad thing ? Would any other business decide to set up shop somewhere without looking at public interest first ? A bus every hour ? Not exactly perfect, especially when the games are usually early Friday evening.[/p][/quote]Please stop it, you're making me laugh too much. This is the region where the newly appointed marketing genius thought the best way to test some new logos (which is not a re-branding exercise by the way) was to put them on the internet so that the whole exercise could be easily spoofed by all and sundry. No disrespect to t'other Gareth, but I'm not holding my breath for the results of any research that comes out of the same marketing department. exilegareth
  • Score: 6

1:22pm Fri 9 May 14

exilegareth says...

Calon_Lan wrote:
Actually I think you are being rather economical with the truth there Mr Republic. As I remember Newport’s money bags – Tony Brown was the first to walk away in a childish dispute over the name, leaving Ebbw Vale to set up the side and progress it to the start of the season. Ebbw Vale raised concerns over the WRU’s commitment to the region from the start, particularly as the business model proposed was fundamentally flawed and the regional sides were in effect setting themselves up for failure. Rather than being associated with a company that was doomed to go bust Ebbw Vale RFC withdrew and Tony Brown returned and blew millions of pounds of his own cash before finally declaring that the business was effectively bust in 2003. He wouldn’t listen to Ebbw Vale then but it’s true what they say “A fool and his money are soon parted”. NGD have carped and complained about the WRU investment ever since and the business model is still doomed to failure whilst the team on the field have achieved absolutely nothing. Really! How much more data does Davies need????
If the people behind Ebbw Vale RFC didn't want to be associated with a rugby side that was going to go bust, why were they associated with Ebbw Vale RFC, which went bust?
[quote][p][bold]Calon_Lan[/bold] wrote: Actually I think you are being rather economical with the truth there Mr Republic. As I remember Newport’s money bags – Tony Brown was the first to walk away in a childish dispute over the name, leaving Ebbw Vale to set up the side and progress it to the start of the season. Ebbw Vale raised concerns over the WRU’s commitment to the region from the start, particularly as the business model proposed was fundamentally flawed and the regional sides were in effect setting themselves up for failure. Rather than being associated with a company that was doomed to go bust Ebbw Vale RFC withdrew and Tony Brown returned and blew millions of pounds of his own cash before finally declaring that the business was effectively bust in 2003. He wouldn’t listen to Ebbw Vale then but it’s true what they say “A fool and his money are soon parted”. NGD have carped and complained about the WRU investment ever since and the business model is still doomed to failure whilst the team on the field have achieved absolutely nothing. Really! How much more data does Davies need????[/p][/quote]If the people behind Ebbw Vale RFC didn't want to be associated with a rugby side that was going to go bust, why were they associated with Ebbw Vale RFC, which went bust? exilegareth
  • Score: 9

1:35pm Fri 9 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Calon_Lan wrote:
Actually I think you are being rather economical with the truth there Mr Republic. As I remember Newport’s money bags – Tony Brown was the first to walk away in a childish dispute over the name, leaving Ebbw Vale to set up the side and progress it to the start of the season. Ebbw Vale raised concerns over the WRU’s commitment to the region from the start, particularly as the business model proposed was fundamentally flawed and the regional sides were in effect setting themselves up for failure. Rather than being associated with a company that was doomed to go bust Ebbw Vale RFC withdrew and Tony Brown returned and blew millions of pounds of his own cash before finally declaring that the business was effectively bust in 2003. He wouldn’t listen to Ebbw Vale then but it’s true what they say “A fool and his money are soon parted”.
NGD have carped and complained about the WRU investment ever since and the business model is still doomed to failure whilst the team on the field have achieved absolutely nothing.
Really! How much more data does Davies need????
So you would expect a businessman such as Brown to cede investment (and thereby control over it) to a partner not responsible for liabilities, nor the for the infrastructure on which that enterprise is then based? You forget that thanks to Rodney Parade Ltd if NGD does fold, then so too, theoretically, might NRFC. Any other club taking such a risk with their assets?

Russell walked away when Moffett backed him over the name and the abortive Gwent Dragons sold somewhere in the region of 30 odd season tickets. He knew, as well as anyone else in their right mind did / does that RP was and remains the only ground capable of hosting games and that Ebbw, Cross Keys and Pooler fans - and a variety of other Gwentists - wouldn't get on board with such a state of affairs.
[quote][p][bold]Calon_Lan[/bold] wrote: Actually I think you are being rather economical with the truth there Mr Republic. As I remember Newport’s money bags – Tony Brown was the first to walk away in a childish dispute over the name, leaving Ebbw Vale to set up the side and progress it to the start of the season. Ebbw Vale raised concerns over the WRU’s commitment to the region from the start, particularly as the business model proposed was fundamentally flawed and the regional sides were in effect setting themselves up for failure. Rather than being associated with a company that was doomed to go bust Ebbw Vale RFC withdrew and Tony Brown returned and blew millions of pounds of his own cash before finally declaring that the business was effectively bust in 2003. He wouldn’t listen to Ebbw Vale then but it’s true what they say “A fool and his money are soon parted”. NGD have carped and complained about the WRU investment ever since and the business model is still doomed to failure whilst the team on the field have achieved absolutely nothing. Really! How much more data does Davies need????[/p][/quote]So you would expect a businessman such as Brown to cede investment (and thereby control over it) to a partner not responsible for liabilities, nor the for the infrastructure on which that enterprise is then based? You forget that thanks to Rodney Parade Ltd if NGD does fold, then so too, theoretically, might NRFC. Any other club taking such a risk with their assets? Russell walked away when Moffett backed him over the name and the abortive Gwent Dragons sold somewhere in the region of 30 odd season tickets. He knew, as well as anyone else in their right mind did / does that RP was and remains the only ground capable of hosting games and that Ebbw, Cross Keys and Pooler fans - and a variety of other Gwentists - wouldn't get on board with such a state of affairs. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 11

1:59pm Fri 9 May 14

munkian says...

exilegareth wrote:
munkian wrote:
a465hov wrote: Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..
How is a business conducting market research a bad thing ? Would any other business decide to set up shop somewhere without looking at public interest first ? A bus every hour ? Not exactly perfect, especially when the games are usually early Friday evening.
Please stop it, you're making me laugh too much.
This is the region where the newly appointed marketing genius thought the best way to test some new logos (which is not a re-branding exercise by the way) was to put them on the internet so that the whole exercise could be easily spoofed by all and sundry.
No disrespect to t'other Gareth, but I'm not holding my breath for the results of any research that comes out of the same marketing department.
Yes, the first clumsy attempt failed and was amateurish at best,

So they are now doing something that sounds remotely professional and it gets ripped apart with old history being dragged up (sic) again ?

Cant win
[quote][p][bold]exilegareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]munkian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a465hov[/bold] wrote: Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gareth this is a tough one for you isn't it. You are the CEO of what is supposed to be the region for Gwent but you're not sure if you really want to travel outside Newport because of a lack of data!!! Ok, Ebbw Vale is only 20 miles north up the A467 and I think the X18 bus goes up every hour. Ebbw Vale is not not some remote spot only accessible with aid of guides. How will you know if something works or not if you don't try it. You should be promoting The Dragons all around Gwent because you will simply alienate yourselves even further if you don't..[/p][/quote]How is a business conducting market research a bad thing ? Would any other business decide to set up shop somewhere without looking at public interest first ? A bus every hour ? Not exactly perfect, especially when the games are usually early Friday evening.[/p][/quote]Please stop it, you're making me laugh too much. This is the region where the newly appointed marketing genius thought the best way to test some new logos (which is not a re-branding exercise by the way) was to put them on the internet so that the whole exercise could be easily spoofed by all and sundry. No disrespect to t'other Gareth, but I'm not holding my breath for the results of any research that comes out of the same marketing department.[/p][/quote]Yes, the first clumsy attempt failed and was amateurish at best, So they are now doing something that sounds remotely professional and it gets ripped apart with old history being dragged up (sic) again ? Cant win munkian
  • Score: 0

3:07pm Fri 9 May 14

Robert Shillabeer says...

I'm an Ebbw Vale lad, well Cwm to be exact and when I went earlier this season up to Ebbw for a game against Pontypool I found it hard to park the car and found the ground rather short of places to sit. The stand is half the size of the Hazell stand at Newport the rest is open to the elements. On the opposite side there is large terracing which if the sun is shining would be quite good to view the game but in mid winter even the hardiest supporter would find it difficult to enjoy the game. So would any south of the county supporters venture up to Ebbw Vale for the game? I very much doubt it unless there was some magic entisment to go there unfortunately that was part of the problem when Ebbw Vale and Newport RFC's were partners in the Region. Unfortunately a similar problem exists at Bedwas and Cross Keys although there is some parking available at Bedwas with a walk to the ground. If games were played at any other Premiership grounds it would not be long for Pontypool to grumble. Added to these problems would be the Newport mindset that would mean virtually no Newport based supporters would travel. A better solution would be to make the cost of valley supporters much cheaper and easier such as a direct train service to Newport, but Cardiff are preventing that becoming a reality.
I'm an Ebbw Vale lad, well Cwm to be exact and when I went earlier this season up to Ebbw for a game against Pontypool I found it hard to park the car and found the ground rather short of places to sit. The stand is half the size of the Hazell stand at Newport the rest is open to the elements. On the opposite side there is large terracing which if the sun is shining would be quite good to view the game but in mid winter even the hardiest supporter would find it difficult to enjoy the game. So would any south of the county supporters venture up to Ebbw Vale for the game? I very much doubt it unless there was some magic entisment to go there unfortunately that was part of the problem when Ebbw Vale and Newport RFC's were partners in the Region. Unfortunately a similar problem exists at Bedwas and Cross Keys although there is some parking available at Bedwas with a walk to the ground. If games were played at any other Premiership grounds it would not be long for Pontypool to grumble. Added to these problems would be the Newport mindset that would mean virtually no Newport based supporters would travel. A better solution would be to make the cost of valley supporters much cheaper and easier such as a direct train service to Newport, but Cardiff are preventing that becoming a reality. Robert Shillabeer
  • Score: 9

4:16pm Fri 9 May 14

Caerleonboy says...

I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.
I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August. Caerleonboy
  • Score: 12

5:12pm Fri 9 May 14

hazellboy says...

here is some market research - Newport RFC 2002- average crowd 7500 including a couple of sell outs- Newport Gwent Dragons - average crowd 4500 never a sell out, come on now its not rocket science!
here is some market research - Newport RFC 2002- average crowd 7500 including a couple of sell outs- Newport Gwent Dragons - average crowd 4500 never a sell out, come on now its not rocket science! hazellboy
  • Score: 6

5:15pm Fri 9 May 14

Caerleonboy says...

hazellboy wrote:
here is some market research - Newport RFC 2002- average crowd 7500 including a couple of sell outs- Newport Gwent Dragons - average crowd 4500 never a sell out, come on now its not rocket science!
The average for the Dragons is surely more like 6,000 and there have been sell outs, I've been there for them!
[quote][p][bold]hazellboy[/bold] wrote: here is some market research - Newport RFC 2002- average crowd 7500 including a couple of sell outs- Newport Gwent Dragons - average crowd 4500 never a sell out, come on now its not rocket science![/p][/quote]The average for the Dragons is surely more like 6,000 and there have been sell outs, I've been there for them! Caerleonboy
  • Score: 3

5:41pm Fri 9 May 14

hazellboy says...

Caerleonboy wrote:
hazellboy wrote:
here is some market research - Newport RFC 2002- average crowd 7500 including a couple of sell outs- Newport Gwent Dragons - average crowd 4500 never a sell out, come on now its not rocket science!
The average for the Dragons is surely more like 6,000 and there have been sell outs, I've been there for them!
sell outs were 11600 and the ground was packed, this years "sell out" was 8600 and the atmosphere was a million miles away from the Bath/ Cardiff/Tolouse etc games, I have been to most Dragons games since the start but am getting tired of it all, The whole experience of a day/night at Rodney Parade to watch Newport RFC was IMO a lot more enjoyable,
[quote][p][bold]Caerleonboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hazellboy[/bold] wrote: here is some market research - Newport RFC 2002- average crowd 7500 including a couple of sell outs- Newport Gwent Dragons - average crowd 4500 never a sell out, come on now its not rocket science![/p][/quote]The average for the Dragons is surely more like 6,000 and there have been sell outs, I've been there for them![/p][/quote]sell outs were 11600 and the ground was packed, this years "sell out" was 8600 and the atmosphere was a million miles away from the Bath/ Cardiff/Tolouse etc games, I have been to most Dragons games since the start but am getting tired of it all, The whole experience of a day/night at Rodney Parade to watch Newport RFC was IMO a lot more enjoyable, hazellboy
  • Score: 7

5:44pm Fri 9 May 14

Keith Barnett says...

Easy to resolve
Sack the clown coming up with all these stupid ideas
Easy to resolve Sack the clown coming up with all these stupid ideas Keith Barnett
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Fri 9 May 14

stevey says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
I'm an Ebbw Vale lad, well Cwm to be exact and when I went earlier this season up to Ebbw for a game against Pontypool I found it hard to park the car and found the ground rather short of places to sit. The stand is half the size of the Hazell stand at Newport the rest is open to the elements. On the opposite side there is large terracing which if the sun is shining would be quite good to view the game but in mid winter even the hardiest supporter would find it difficult to enjoy the game. So would any south of the county supporters venture up to Ebbw Vale for the game? I very much doubt it unless there was some magic entisment to go there unfortunately that was part of the problem when Ebbw Vale and Newport RFC's were partners in the Region. Unfortunately a similar problem exists at Bedwas and Cross Keys although there is some parking available at Bedwas with a walk to the ground. If games were played at any other Premiership grounds it would not be long for Pontypool to grumble. Added to these problems would be the Newport mindset that would mean virtually no Newport based supporters would travel. A better solution would be to make the cost of valley supporters much cheaper and easier such as a direct train service to Newport, but Cardiff are preventing that becoming a reality.
Sounds like you had a real difficult day there Rob. Civic Centre car park is 2 mins walk away. Only saw the stand full against Pontypridd in recent years, but bet there was a seat there if you really looked. You are just trying to make a meal of this. Direct train? Why would anyone want to stop n N*****t when Kairdiff is just another 15mins. further away?
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: I'm an Ebbw Vale lad, well Cwm to be exact and when I went earlier this season up to Ebbw for a game against Pontypool I found it hard to park the car and found the ground rather short of places to sit. The stand is half the size of the Hazell stand at Newport the rest is open to the elements. On the opposite side there is large terracing which if the sun is shining would be quite good to view the game but in mid winter even the hardiest supporter would find it difficult to enjoy the game. So would any south of the county supporters venture up to Ebbw Vale for the game? I very much doubt it unless there was some magic entisment to go there unfortunately that was part of the problem when Ebbw Vale and Newport RFC's were partners in the Region. Unfortunately a similar problem exists at Bedwas and Cross Keys although there is some parking available at Bedwas with a walk to the ground. If games were played at any other Premiership grounds it would not be long for Pontypool to grumble. Added to these problems would be the Newport mindset that would mean virtually no Newport based supporters would travel. A better solution would be to make the cost of valley supporters much cheaper and easier such as a direct train service to Newport, but Cardiff are preventing that becoming a reality.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you had a real difficult day there Rob. Civic Centre car park is 2 mins walk away. Only saw the stand full against Pontypridd in recent years, but bet there was a seat there if you really looked. You are just trying to make a meal of this. Direct train? Why would anyone want to stop n N*****t when Kairdiff is just another 15mins. further away? stevey
  • Score: -1

7:02pm Fri 9 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Caerleonboy wrote:
I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.
Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included.
[quote][p][bold]Caerleonboy[/bold] wrote: I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.[/p][/quote]Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 0

7:36pm Fri 9 May 14

Amber in the blood says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Caerleonboy wrote:
I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.
Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included.
Many years on and still haven't a clue, not to sure what the problem is NEWPORT RFC have 50% of the shares and the WRU have the other 50%. The region doesn't real exist...............
.and that's the real problem,
The people of gwent had there chance and blow it. Many things are written on this forum but the truth is it can only work as NEWPORT RFC.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caerleonboy[/bold] wrote: I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.[/p][/quote]Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included.[/p][/quote]Many years on and still haven't a clue, not to sure what the problem is NEWPORT RFC have 50% of the shares and the WRU have the other 50%. The region doesn't real exist............... .and that's the real problem, The people of gwent had there chance and blow it. Many things are written on this forum but the truth is it can only work as NEWPORT RFC. Amber in the blood
  • Score: 4

9:24pm Fri 9 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Amber in the blood wrote:
Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Caerleonboy wrote:
I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.
Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included.
Many years on and still haven't a clue, not to sure what the problem is NEWPORT RFC have 50% of the shares and the WRU have the other 50%. The region doesn't real exist...............

.and that's the real problem,
The people of gwent had there chance and blow it. Many things are written on this forum but the truth is it can only work as NEWPORT RFC.
Then let the powers that be in Newport have it. Let them be honest to others and true to themselves as well. The truth is though that without your sugar daddy crowds of 3.5 thousand will not make it a sustainable business. The board knows it and so they try to make it all things to all people. A bit of yellow and a bit of red. A lot of NEWPORT and a bit of gwent. It's not fooling the people who grow the players though. Their hearts will never be in it as long as it is, as we all know, NEWPORT first team.
[quote][p][bold]Amber in the blood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caerleonboy[/bold] wrote: I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.[/p][/quote]Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included.[/p][/quote]Many years on and still haven't a clue, not to sure what the problem is NEWPORT RFC have 50% of the shares and the WRU have the other 50%. The region doesn't real exist............... .and that's the real problem, The people of gwent had there chance and blow it. Many things are written on this forum but the truth is it can only work as NEWPORT RFC.[/p][/quote]Then let the powers that be in Newport have it. Let them be honest to others and true to themselves as well. The truth is though that without your sugar daddy crowds of 3.5 thousand will not make it a sustainable business. The board knows it and so they try to make it all things to all people. A bit of yellow and a bit of red. A lot of NEWPORT and a bit of gwent. It's not fooling the people who grow the players though. Their hearts will never be in it as long as it is, as we all know, NEWPORT first team. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -6

2:16am Sat 10 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

davidjohnedwards wrote:
This again is a board being taken over by the valley commandos... I am sure that the powers that be will only want one thing anyway and that is to remove the only marketable name from the team name. Just like in Europe, if they don't get the right answer from the "market research" and it shows that Newport as a more prominent name is found to be what the majority want they will simply lose the data and wait a little while to do more "market research" until they get the answer they want.

Gwent as a concept for a team is absolutely ridiculous and the Dragons nicname is so overused I wouldn't know whether I was supporting an Australian rugby side or a firm of taxis!!!

If they have any business acumen between them (and ir's clear they don't) they would simply rebrand to the proper Newport RFC branding and watch supporters come back.

Haven't watched a professional match at RP for 7 years (used to go to all the matches even when I lived up North) and will never go again until they sort out this plastic mess and revert to the only real brand that could work...
Lets be honest, the only ones who should have a voice in this are the fans, and fans of the club/regional game who make a commitment, not the keyboard warriors or the Team Wales sequin-hat aficionados.

Why don't NGD invite each and every one of their current season ticket holders, and all the 'Gwent' semi-pro equivalents, to participate in a simple ballot. Dual season ticket holders one vote. Invite season ticket holders from all 'Gwent' clubs for seasons 2001-02 and 2002-03 (to take into account the many who have been alienated by 'regionalism' and departed the scene) and - hey presto! - you have a pretty reliable, quantifiable evidence base on which to inform, for example, a choice of two options: a "Gwent' team in suitable attire touring all grounds, or the RP-based Newport Black and Ambers (or Bowmen: historically pertinent, and makes space for that sponsorship with Strongbow!! Same colours remember!).

We have continuation of the status quo, or we can put this issue to bed once and for all, and fairly.

But no decision is going to be taken, is it? Too obvious.
[quote][p][bold]davidjohnedwards[/bold] wrote: This again is a board being taken over by the valley commandos... I am sure that the powers that be will only want one thing anyway and that is to remove the only marketable name from the team name. Just like in Europe, if they don't get the right answer from the "market research" and it shows that Newport as a more prominent name is found to be what the majority want they will simply lose the data and wait a little while to do more "market research" until they get the answer they want. Gwent as a concept for a team is absolutely ridiculous and the Dragons nicname is so overused I wouldn't know whether I was supporting an Australian rugby side or a firm of taxis!!! If they have any business acumen between them (and ir's clear they don't) they would simply rebrand to the proper Newport RFC branding and watch supporters come back. Haven't watched a professional match at RP for 7 years (used to go to all the matches even when I lived up North) and will never go again until they sort out this plastic mess and revert to the only real brand that could work...[/p][/quote]Lets be honest, the only ones who should have a voice in this are the fans, and fans of the club/regional game who make a commitment, not the keyboard warriors or the Team Wales sequin-hat aficionados. Why don't NGD invite each and every one of their current season ticket holders, and all the 'Gwent' semi-pro equivalents, to participate in a simple ballot. Dual season ticket holders one vote. Invite season ticket holders from all 'Gwent' clubs for seasons 2001-02 and 2002-03 (to take into account the many who have been alienated by 'regionalism' and departed the scene) and - hey presto! - you have a pretty reliable, quantifiable evidence base on which to inform, for example, a choice of two options: a "Gwent' team in suitable attire touring all grounds, or the RP-based Newport Black and Ambers (or Bowmen: historically pertinent, and makes space for that sponsorship with Strongbow!! Same colours remember!). We have continuation of the status quo, or we can put this issue to bed once and for all, and fairly. But no decision is going to be taken, is it? Too obvious. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 5

4:44pm Sat 10 May 14

Caerleonboy says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Caerleonboy wrote:
I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.
Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included.
I have watched games in Pontypool Park, and I agree it is a nice ground and Pontypool have excellent supporters. However, there is no way you would fit 25,000 or 12,000 in the ground nowadays with all the Health and safety regulations, and the covered area is much smaller than at Rodney Parade. I personally would stand in the pouring rain to support my region, but I can guarantee you many would not. If there were grounds outside of Newport more suitable than Rodney Parade I'm sure they would at least be considered, but the truth is there aren't, unless anyone is prepared to put in a lot of money for a new ground/redevelopment
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[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caerleonboy[/bold] wrote: I personally wouldn't have any objections to occasional matches, eg. LV cup games that only attract low crowds anyway, being played elsewhere in the region, especially if that would please other supporters. It's no harder than travelling to Cardiff for the double header really. However, as others have already said, there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd, so the vast majority of games have to be played at Rodney Parade, especially as so much money has been spent on the new stand recently. I doubt many would turn up at Pontypool or Ebbw Vale to stand in the pouring rain on a terrace for 2 hours, but it might be nice for a pre season friendly in August.[/p][/quote]Ignorant of facts ('there are no other grounds in Gwent big enough to hold a decent crowd') and very condescending ('It might be nice for a pre-season friendly in August'). How good is your knowledge of rugby history? Have you ever been part of a 25,000 crowd at Pontypool Park? Or a regular 12,000 Wednesday night crowd? The rest of Gwent doesn't want 'occasional matches'. They want to be properly included.[/p][/quote]I have watched games in Pontypool Park, and I agree it is a nice ground and Pontypool have excellent supporters. However, there is no way you would fit 25,000 or 12,000 in the ground nowadays with all the Health and safety regulations, and the covered area is much smaller than at Rodney Parade. I personally would stand in the pouring rain to support my region, but I can guarantee you many would not. If there were grounds outside of Newport more suitable than Rodney Parade I'm sure they would at least be considered, but the truth is there aren't, unless anyone is prepared to put in a lot of money for a new ground/redevelopment . Caerleonboy
  • Score: 6

5:05pm Sat 10 May 14

Amber in the blood says...

Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT.
Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn
Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!!
Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT. Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!! Amber in the blood
  • Score: 1

9:13pm Sat 10 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Amber in the blood wrote:
Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT.
Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn
Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!!
Where have they gone? Football, supporting real regions like the Ospreys (some feel more affinity with them than a (not-so-super) club), allotments, pubs, some continue to develop players for you in the lower leagues, Sky TV, golf, joy-riding, charity work, helping the missus with the house work and shopping......... to name a few.
The common feeling was that Richie Rees was the deserved POTY by the way.
[quote][p][bold]Amber in the blood[/bold] wrote: Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT. Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Where have they gone? Football, supporting real regions like the Ospreys (some feel more affinity with them than a (not-so-super) club), allotments, pubs, some continue to develop players for you in the lower leagues, Sky TV, golf, joy-riding, charity work, helping the missus with the house work and shopping......... to name a few. The common feeling was that Richie Rees was the deserved POTY by the way. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -1

10:04pm Sat 10 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Amber in the blood wrote:
Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT.
Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn
Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!!
Where have they gone? Football, supporting real regions like the Ospreys (some feel more affinity with them than a (not-so-super) club), allotments, pubs, some continue to develop players for you in the lower leagues, Sky TV, golf, joy-riding, charity work, helping the missus with the house work and shopping......... to name a few.
The common feeling was that Richie Rees was the deserved POTY by the way.
That's all perfectly valid, not to mention financial travails, dwindling incomes, the cost of living, even the relation of the extentialist / nillistic futility of even following sport, but if pro-rugby is going thrive in this part of Wales, a decision has to be taken once for all; the 'Gwent Nomads' or 'Newport Black and Ambers.' By un-mixing the bag that is 'region' rugby, we can at least concentrate on one rump of support through the turnstiles, unify matters, build identities and attract meaningful investment - which with this mess this has be to virtually impossible. Revenue is absolutely crucial, more than ever.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Amber in the blood[/bold] wrote: Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT. Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Where have they gone? Football, supporting real regions like the Ospreys (some feel more affinity with them than a (not-so-super) club), allotments, pubs, some continue to develop players for you in the lower leagues, Sky TV, golf, joy-riding, charity work, helping the missus with the house work and shopping......... to name a few. The common feeling was that Richie Rees was the deserved POTY by the way.[/p][/quote]That's all perfectly valid, not to mention financial travails, dwindling incomes, the cost of living, even the relation of the extentialist / nillistic futility of even following sport, but if pro-rugby is going thrive in this part of Wales, a decision has to be taken once for all; the 'Gwent Nomads' or 'Newport Black and Ambers.' By un-mixing the bag that is 'region' rugby, we can at least concentrate on one rump of support through the turnstiles, unify matters, build identities and attract meaningful investment - which with this mess this has be to virtually impossible. Revenue is absolutely crucial, more than ever. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

10:04pm Sat 10 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Amber in the blood wrote:
Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT.
Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn
Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!!
Where have they gone? Football, supporting real regions like the Ospreys (some feel more affinity with them than a (not-so-super) club), allotments, pubs, some continue to develop players for you in the lower leagues, Sky TV, golf, joy-riding, charity work, helping the missus with the house work and shopping......... to name a few.
The common feeling was that Richie Rees was the deserved POTY by the way.
That's all perfectly valid, not to mention financial travails, dwindling incomes, the cost of living, even the relation of the extentialist / nillistic futility of even following sport, but if pro-rugby is going thrive in this part of Wales, a decision has to be taken once for all; the 'Gwent Nomads' or 'Newport Black and Ambers.' By un-mixing the bag that is 'region' rugby, we can at least concentrate on one rump of support through the turnstiles, unify matters, build identities and attract meaningful investment - which with this mess this has be to virtually impossible. Revenue is absolutely crucial, more than ever.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Amber in the blood[/bold] wrote: Can I remind you all again 50% is owned by NEWPORT RFC so why would they play outside NEWPORT. I like many others have watched rugby at all the gwent grounds,the only time they get big crowds is when NEWPORT come to town,To suggest that pontypool park has had a crowd of 25,000 is a joke,iv been there many times on a Saturday ans mid week to watch NEWPORT with big crowds and most of them from NEWPORT. Just a quick question, of the 25,000 where have you all gone ? ......Melvyn Congrats to Lewis Evans Argus player of the year. NEWPORT RFC !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Where have they gone? Football, supporting real regions like the Ospreys (some feel more affinity with them than a (not-so-super) club), allotments, pubs, some continue to develop players for you in the lower leagues, Sky TV, golf, joy-riding, charity work, helping the missus with the house work and shopping......... to name a few. The common feeling was that Richie Rees was the deserved POTY by the way.[/p][/quote]That's all perfectly valid, not to mention financial travails, dwindling incomes, the cost of living, even the relation of the extentialist / nillistic futility of even following sport, but if pro-rugby is going thrive in this part of Wales, a decision has to be taken once for all; the 'Gwent Nomads' or 'Newport Black and Ambers.' By un-mixing the bag that is 'region' rugby, we can at least concentrate on one rump of support through the turnstiles, unify matters, build identities and attract meaningful investment - which with this mess this has be to virtually impossible. Revenue is absolutely crucial, more than ever. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

11:23pm Sat 10 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Having read these posts and spoken to rugby fans over the past ten years, coupled with the mediocre diet of rugby served up in Newport during that period have convinced me that this fusion of Newport and the valleys is never going to work, just as it hasn't worked in the Pontypridd and Rhondda Valleys. This is borne out by the determination of the Pontypridd club to achieve results which might, just might, earn them a place again at the top table. But it won't. Neither Cardiff and the Valleys nor Newport and the Gwent Valleys will ever become one unit. It is time to hand it all over to the two clubs (not forgetting the Llanelli club has also done its own thing). They will continue to have paltry revenue streams, average players, a player drain in the case of the excellent exceptions and standards will continue to slide. I don't say this lightly but with a heavy heart. There are no winners in this internecine conflict. Too much water has gone under the bridge, too much bitterness remains for these wounds ever to be healed.
Having read these posts and spoken to rugby fans over the past ten years, coupled with the mediocre diet of rugby served up in Newport during that period have convinced me that this fusion of Newport and the valleys is never going to work, just as it hasn't worked in the Pontypridd and Rhondda Valleys. This is borne out by the determination of the Pontypridd club to achieve results which might, just might, earn them a place again at the top table. But it won't. Neither Cardiff and the Valleys nor Newport and the Gwent Valleys will ever become one unit. It is time to hand it all over to the two clubs (not forgetting the Llanelli club has also done its own thing). They will continue to have paltry revenue streams, average players, a player drain in the case of the excellent exceptions and standards will continue to slide. I don't say this lightly but with a heavy heart. There are no winners in this internecine conflict. Too much water has gone under the bridge, too much bitterness remains for these wounds ever to be healed. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Sun 11 May 14

Amber in the blood says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Having read these posts and spoken to rugby fans over the past ten years, coupled with the mediocre diet of rugby served up in Newport during that period have convinced me that this fusion of Newport and the valleys is never going to work, just as it hasn't worked in the Pontypridd and Rhondda Valleys. This is borne out by the determination of the Pontypridd club to achieve results which might, just might, earn them a place again at the top table. But it won't. Neither Cardiff and the Valleys nor Newport and the Gwent Valleys will ever become one unit. It is time to hand it all over to the two clubs (not forgetting the Llanelli club has also done its own thing). They will continue to have paltry revenue streams, average players, a player drain in the case of the excellent exceptions and standards will continue to slide. I don't say this lightly but with a heavy heart. There are no winners in this internecine conflict. Too much water has gone under the bridge, too much bitterness remains for these wounds ever to be healed.
Great post.........but I'm still a bit lost....... again how do the valley clubs come into it ? Sorry to repeat myself but NEWPORT RFC have 50%, WRU 50%. There is is a clue in the name NEWPORT RFC.Can someone please ex plane to the joke that is Lyn Jones he is employed by NEWPORT RFC,he may be a bit slow so speak slowly..
Ben........ if you require help marketing NEWPORT RFC take a look at pre-regional rubbish........Full Rodney Parade,Heineken cup rugby great nights...... real 13,000 crowds,yes Melvyn.........sky tv,
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: Having read these posts and spoken to rugby fans over the past ten years, coupled with the mediocre diet of rugby served up in Newport during that period have convinced me that this fusion of Newport and the valleys is never going to work, just as it hasn't worked in the Pontypridd and Rhondda Valleys. This is borne out by the determination of the Pontypridd club to achieve results which might, just might, earn them a place again at the top table. But it won't. Neither Cardiff and the Valleys nor Newport and the Gwent Valleys will ever become one unit. It is time to hand it all over to the two clubs (not forgetting the Llanelli club has also done its own thing). They will continue to have paltry revenue streams, average players, a player drain in the case of the excellent exceptions and standards will continue to slide. I don't say this lightly but with a heavy heart. There are no winners in this internecine conflict. Too much water has gone under the bridge, too much bitterness remains for these wounds ever to be healed.[/p][/quote]Great post.........but I'm still a bit lost....... again how do the valley clubs come into it ? Sorry to repeat myself but NEWPORT RFC have 50%, WRU 50%. There is is a clue in the name NEWPORT RFC.Can someone please ex plane to the joke that is Lyn Jones he is employed by NEWPORT RFC,he may be a bit slow so speak slowly.. Ben........ if you require help marketing NEWPORT RFC take a look at pre-regional rubbish........Full Rodney Parade,Heineken cup rugby great nights...... real 13,000 crowds,yes Melvyn.........sky tv, Amber in the blood
  • Score: 1

6:12pm Sun 11 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Amber in the blood wrote:
Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Having read these posts and spoken to rugby fans over the past ten years, coupled with the mediocre diet of rugby served up in Newport during that period have convinced me that this fusion of Newport and the valleys is never going to work, just as it hasn't worked in the Pontypridd and Rhondda Valleys. This is borne out by the determination of the Pontypridd club to achieve results which might, just might, earn them a place again at the top table. But it won't. Neither Cardiff and the Valleys nor Newport and the Gwent Valleys will ever become one unit. It is time to hand it all over to the two clubs (not forgetting the Llanelli club has also done its own thing). They will continue to have paltry revenue streams, average players, a player drain in the case of the excellent exceptions and standards will continue to slide. I don't say this lightly but with a heavy heart. There are no winners in this internecine conflict. Too much water has gone under the bridge, too much bitterness remains for these wounds ever to be healed.
Great post.........but I'm still a bit lost....... again how do the valley clubs come into it ? Sorry to repeat myself but NEWPORT RFC have 50%, WRU 50%. There is is a clue in the name NEWPORT RFC.Can someone please ex plane to the joke that is Lyn Jones he is employed by NEWPORT RFC,he may be a bit slow so speak slowly..
Ben........ if you require help marketing NEWPORT RFC take a look at pre-regional rubbish........Full Rodney Parade,Heineken cup rugby great nights...... real 13,000 crowds,yes Melvyn.........sky tv,
Amber,
It still is supposed to be a region. That is why the WRU own 50% so that no one club has a monopoly and the rest of the Gwent clubs might remain interested. But it has failed. Don't kid yourself that the rosy days of Mr. Brown (which only lasted a few seasons....... in contrast with the 15 years of dominance of Pontypool and the 10 years of Pontypridd) will ever come back. No-one, unless he is connected to the Russian mafia, is ever going to bankroll a white elephant like a Welsh rugby club again. Those days are gone. This is why the board at Newport wants to masquerade the set-up as a region, knowing full well it isn't and never will be.
[quote][p][bold]Amber in the blood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: Having read these posts and spoken to rugby fans over the past ten years, coupled with the mediocre diet of rugby served up in Newport during that period have convinced me that this fusion of Newport and the valleys is never going to work, just as it hasn't worked in the Pontypridd and Rhondda Valleys. This is borne out by the determination of the Pontypridd club to achieve results which might, just might, earn them a place again at the top table. But it won't. Neither Cardiff and the Valleys nor Newport and the Gwent Valleys will ever become one unit. It is time to hand it all over to the two clubs (not forgetting the Llanelli club has also done its own thing). They will continue to have paltry revenue streams, average players, a player drain in the case of the excellent exceptions and standards will continue to slide. I don't say this lightly but with a heavy heart. There are no winners in this internecine conflict. Too much water has gone under the bridge, too much bitterness remains for these wounds ever to be healed.[/p][/quote]Great post.........but I'm still a bit lost....... again how do the valley clubs come into it ? Sorry to repeat myself but NEWPORT RFC have 50%, WRU 50%. There is is a clue in the name NEWPORT RFC.Can someone please ex plane to the joke that is Lyn Jones he is employed by NEWPORT RFC,he may be a bit slow so speak slowly.. Ben........ if you require help marketing NEWPORT RFC take a look at pre-regional rubbish........Full Rodney Parade,Heineken cup rugby great nights...... real 13,000 crowds,yes Melvyn.........sky tv,[/p][/quote]Amber, It still is supposed to be a region. That is why the WRU own 50% so that no one club has a monopoly and the rest of the Gwent clubs might remain interested. But it has failed. Don't kid yourself that the rosy days of Mr. Brown (which only lasted a few seasons....... in contrast with the 15 years of dominance of Pontypool and the 10 years of Pontypridd) will ever come back. No-one, unless he is connected to the Russian mafia, is ever going to bankroll a white elephant like a Welsh rugby club again. Those days are gone. This is why the board at Newport wants to masquerade the set-up as a region, knowing full well it isn't and never will be. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Sun 11 May 14

stevey says...

Who cares anymore?
Who cares anymore? stevey
  • Score: 2

9:40am Mon 12 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Stevey,
You should care. As a non-townie like myself, rugby is dying outside of the metropoles. No funding, Premier League football and the attraction of other sports are just some of the causes. Do you want to have the option of Newport RFC or nothing?
Stevey, You should care. As a non-townie like myself, rugby is dying outside of the metropoles. No funding, Premier League football and the attraction of other sports are just some of the causes. Do you want to have the option of Newport RFC or nothing? Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 0

3:14pm Mon 12 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Stevey,
You should care. As a non-townie like myself, rugby is dying outside of the metropoles. No funding, Premier League football and the attraction of other sports are just some of the causes. Do you want to have the option of Newport RFC or nothing?
Your reference to 'metropoles' is a laughable as your pithy dismissal of NRFC's history - from founding to advent of regional rugby in 2003 - which more than eclipses Pooler's trading on its famed front row (yawn). True, Brown awakened a sleeping giant, but locally, a giant it always was and the team that those born north of the M4 (even before the M4 was constructed) gravitated to.

NRFC is the only local brand (forgive me) that succeeded in the pro era and by that I mean crowds, community outreach, season ticket sales. In that respect, we exceeded any other Welsh club, not just any other south-eat Wales outfit, and STILL put NGD in the shade.

'Regionalism' was Moffett's window-dressing that many like yourself fell for. It was never, ever going to be thus: 2003 was about culling the number of teams for financial expedience NOT refashioning rugby along Irish / NZ provincial lines. It was the WRU that duped you, not NRFC.

You want regional rugby? Fine, go and find yourself a ground and all the necessary infrastructure rather than expecting someone to provide it for you, and gratis at that.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: Stevey, You should care. As a non-townie like myself, rugby is dying outside of the metropoles. No funding, Premier League football and the attraction of other sports are just some of the causes. Do you want to have the option of Newport RFC or nothing?[/p][/quote]Your reference to 'metropoles' is a laughable as your pithy dismissal of NRFC's history - from founding to advent of regional rugby in 2003 - which more than eclipses Pooler's trading on its famed front row (yawn). True, Brown awakened a sleeping giant, but locally, a giant it always was and the team that those born north of the M4 (even before the M4 was constructed) gravitated to. NRFC is the only local brand (forgive me) that succeeded in the pro era and by that I mean crowds, community outreach, season ticket sales. In that respect, we exceeded any other Welsh club, not just any other south-eat Wales outfit, and STILL put NGD in the shade. 'Regionalism' was Moffett's window-dressing that many like yourself fell for. It was never, ever going to be thus: 2003 was about culling the number of teams for financial expedience NOT refashioning rugby along Irish / NZ provincial lines. It was the WRU that duped you, not NRFC. You want regional rugby? Fine, go and find yourself a ground and all the necessary infrastructure rather than expecting someone to provide it for you, and gratis at that. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Mon 12 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
Stevey,
You should care. As a non-townie like myself, rugby is dying outside of the metropoles. No funding, Premier League football and the attraction of other sports are just some of the causes. Do you want to have the option of Newport RFC or nothing?
That's not to say I don't agree with you on the rest.

I still maintain the WRU are focusing to a detrimental degree on a) paying off the MS debt at a rate the equity doesn't demand, and b) is focused on the acquisition of power and control before anything that might be deemed as benefiting the game itself.

I still maintain a separation of pro-rugby from the community game, a restructuring of the WRU governance process and clear red water between pro rugby and administration of the national game could see the resurrection of at least a six-club pro set-up, and infrastructural investment (no wages / boot money) in the lower leagues to rejuvenate enthusiasm. But that would require a (relative) revolution and certain turkeys voting for Christmas.

I want a Newport stand-alone, but I want to see that team play in derbies I care about. And that means resurrecting more than one of the outfits that's fallen by the wayside. The obvious contenders - sorry to the rest - would be Pontypridd and Bridgend.

Its about time the game was put before profit.

One other thought. Require Team Wales 'fans' to produce three regional / club stubs for tickets before they are permitted to purchase 6 Nations / Autumn Test rugby. That should help increase the revenues so dearly sought.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: Stevey, You should care. As a non-townie like myself, rugby is dying outside of the metropoles. No funding, Premier League football and the attraction of other sports are just some of the causes. Do you want to have the option of Newport RFC or nothing?[/p][/quote]That's not to say I don't agree with you on the rest. I still maintain the WRU are focusing to a detrimental degree on a) paying off the MS debt at a rate the equity doesn't demand, and b) is focused on the acquisition of power and control before anything that might be deemed as benefiting the game itself. I still maintain a separation of pro-rugby from the community game, a restructuring of the WRU governance process and clear red water between pro rugby and administration of the national game could see the resurrection of at least a six-club pro set-up, and infrastructural investment (no wages / boot money) in the lower leagues to rejuvenate enthusiasm. But that would require a (relative) revolution and certain turkeys voting for Christmas. I want a Newport stand-alone, but I want to see that team play in derbies I care about. And that means resurrecting more than one of the outfits that's fallen by the wayside. The obvious contenders - sorry to the rest - would be Pontypridd and Bridgend. Its about time the game was put before profit. One other thought. Require Team Wales 'fans' to produce three regional / club stubs for tickets before they are permitted to purchase 6 Nations / Autumn Test rugby. That should help increase the revenues so dearly sought. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

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