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THE FOUR regions have told the Welsh Rugby Union that they want a response to their latest offer by 4pm today as the spat over a fresh participation agreement rumbles on, writes Chris Kirwan.

Regional Rugby Wales, the body that represents Newport Gwent Dragons, the Ospreys, Cardiff Blues and the Scarlets, has made amendments to a draft rugby services agreement.

They state in a letter to Roger Lewis and David Pickering, chief executive and chairman of the governing body respectively, that they want feedback by this afternoon and then they want a fresh accord to be signed off by Friday.

RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses."

The last participation agreement ended on June 30 and the regions say they are not prepared to carry on "in the game of cat and mouse that appears to being played".

The letter, which is signed by Dragons chairman Martyn Hazell and his counterparts Roger Blyth (Ospreys), Peter Thomas (Blues) and Nigel Short (Scarlets), reads: "It appears to us that our relationship (RRW and WRU) is at an all-time low and that the true objective of the WRU is actually to 'starve' the regions to the point of financial ruin.

"How that is to the benefit of Welsh rugby is completely beyond us."

They then state three requirements:

- A desire for a genuine partnership ("It is not an employer/employee or master/slave relationship")

- That their interests are aligned – without a thriving domestic game Test success is not possible

- That the regions are adequately rewarded for providing national players, which enable WRU financial success

If no deal is reached then Wales will be without the majority of their players for the fourth autumn international against South Africa, which tickets are already on sale for, while the regions have said they will have to scale back their playing costs.

Warren Gatland sat in on meetings at the start of the month and was said to be happy with what was agreed in terms of rugby matters in a crucial year ahead of the 2015 World Cup.

The regions have been offered £6.7million, the same as the previous deal, along with £2million for central or dual contracts.

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8:05am Mon 14 Jul 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".'

In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.
'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".' In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -14

12:25pm Mon 14 Jul 14

tap says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".'

In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.
I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists!
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: 'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".' In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.[/p][/quote]I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists! tap
  • Score: -6

12:27pm Mon 14 Jul 14

tap says...

tap wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".'

In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.
I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists!
Should have rea "sooner we"
[quote][p][bold]tap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: 'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".' In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.[/p][/quote]I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists![/p][/quote]Should have rea "sooner we" tap
  • Score: -6

12:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Euwan Usami says...

tap wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".'

In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.
I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists!
I think your wise not to hold your breath. Both sides need a resolution, I can't see it all imploding at this point. Even if it does it won't guarantee the team name changing back to Newport. Ultimately this is what most anti-regionalist want isn't it? Or do supporters genuinely want to go back to a Welsh league and watch Wales lose every international by 100 points? Or do we go with the 4 super clubs under their old names playing in the pro12 or English premiership? If so what about all the clubs you leave behind? Whatever route the game takes, one thing is for sure; a lot of people will be unhappy about it.
[quote][p][bold]tap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: 'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".' In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.[/p][/quote]I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists![/p][/quote]I think your wise not to hold your breath. Both sides need a resolution, I can't see it all imploding at this point. Even if it does it won't guarantee the team name changing back to Newport. Ultimately this is what most anti-regionalist want isn't it? Or do supporters genuinely want to go back to a Welsh league and watch Wales lose every international by 100 points? Or do we go with the 4 super clubs under their old names playing in the pro12 or English premiership? If so what about all the clubs you leave behind? Whatever route the game takes, one thing is for sure; a lot of people will be unhappy about it. Euwan Usami
  • Score: 11

2:05pm Mon 14 Jul 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Euwan Usami wrote:
tap wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".'

In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.
I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists!
I think your wise not to hold your breath. Both sides need a resolution, I can't see it all imploding at this point. Even if it does it won't guarantee the team name changing back to Newport. Ultimately this is what most anti-regionalist want isn't it? Or do supporters genuinely want to go back to a Welsh league and watch Wales lose every international by 100 points? Or do we go with the 4 super clubs under their old names playing in the pro12 or English premiership? If so what about all the clubs you leave behind? Whatever route the game takes, one thing is for sure; a lot of people will be unhappy about it.
Indeed. The fairest solution would have been an open acknowledgement of the need for a small number of elite clubs, or proper regions entirely removed in name and identity from the existing clubs. But oh no, we fudged it (as some might say is typical of us as a nation).

Personally speaking, I'd love to see Newport playing meaningful matches in an Anglo-Welsh league - even if that necessitates a divorce from the union - but only if at least Swansea, Cardiff and Llanelli joined them (pie in the sky, I know). I'd take that over 100 grand slams every time.

TBH I can see the already moribund domestic 'professional' set up in Wales dead within a few years. Its getting squeezed on all sides as things stand and it might be that the only outcome is for Wales, as a nation, to admit it can't compete, at least not in any meaningful commercial sense.
[quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: 'RRW say that if there is no progress then they "will terminate all further discussions with the WRU and concentrate on taking decisions for the benefit of their own businesses".' In which case, get rid the of the artificial attachments and so-called deference to inclusive ideals, and restore Newport RFC to where it should be, and where Cardiff and Llanelli are already in situ, contributing exclusively in their respective areas to the management of professional outfits. Use this an excuse to propel the cuckoo as far from the nest as possible and make as many overtures as are necessary for Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli, and - however they might wish to identify themselves - the Ospreys to join up with English rugby counterparts.[/p][/quote]I agree. the sooerwe are rid of this ridiculous regional nosense and childish nicknames like "ragons the better. I am not holding my breath though, I suspect he only reaction will be outrage and insuts fron the regional apologists![/p][/quote]I think your wise not to hold your breath. Both sides need a resolution, I can't see it all imploding at this point. Even if it does it won't guarantee the team name changing back to Newport. Ultimately this is what most anti-regionalist want isn't it? Or do supporters genuinely want to go back to a Welsh league and watch Wales lose every international by 100 points? Or do we go with the 4 super clubs under their old names playing in the pro12 or English premiership? If so what about all the clubs you leave behind? Whatever route the game takes, one thing is for sure; a lot of people will be unhappy about it.[/p][/quote]Indeed. The fairest solution would have been an open acknowledgement of the need for a small number of elite clubs, or proper regions entirely removed in name and identity from the existing clubs. But oh no, we fudged it (as some might say is typical of us as a nation). Personally speaking, I'd love to see Newport playing meaningful matches in an Anglo-Welsh league - even if that necessitates a divorce from the union - but only if at least Swansea, Cardiff and Llanelli joined them (pie in the sky, I know). I'd take that over 100 grand slams every time. TBH I can see the already moribund domestic 'professional' set up in Wales dead within a few years. Its getting squeezed on all sides as things stand and it might be that the only outcome is for Wales, as a nation, to admit it can't compete, at least not in any meaningful commercial sense. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 3

5:25pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Robert Shillabeer says...

The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong.
The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong. Robert Shillabeer
  • Score: 12

5:40pm Mon 14 Jul 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong.
Your last sentence... Why should I stop criticising a set-up which has failed so miserably and alienated so many since its establishment?
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong.[/p][/quote]Your last sentence... Why should I stop criticising a set-up which has failed so miserably and alienated so many since its establishment? The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 4

10:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevey says...

Don't really care what happens anymore, really don't. Fed up with the lot. Regional rugby is a farce most of the time on and off the field. None of them worry about the club or national game so why should anyone care about such a plastic uncompetitive league?
Don't really care what happens anymore, really don't. Fed up with the lot. Regional rugby is a farce most of the time on and off the field. None of them worry about the club or national game so why should anyone care about such a plastic uncompetitive league? stevey
  • Score: -4

11:15pm Mon 14 Jul 14

silurix says...

There should be a binding arbitration process in place to cater for such deadlocks. The WRU Board itself should be intervening to hold executive and regions to account and initiate the arbitration process. What purpose do they serve otherwise? If the board are too spineless to get a grip then the clubs should hold the board to account , as is their right. If the clubs are too inert to defend their own long term interests then they will have no right to complain if they suffer for it. They should not assume that the executive knows best. Look what happened to the banks.
There should be a binding arbitration process in place to cater for such deadlocks. The WRU Board itself should be intervening to hold executive and regions to account and initiate the arbitration process. What purpose do they serve otherwise? If the board are too spineless to get a grip then the clubs should hold the board to account , as is their right. If the clubs are too inert to defend their own long term interests then they will have no right to complain if they suffer for it. They should not assume that the executive knows best. Look what happened to the banks. silurix
  • Score: 4

12:34am Tue 15 Jul 14

corpardguy says...

........and through all this nonsense the Wales captain has not got a club to play for in the coming season. What other rugby laying nation would this mayhem be tolerated let alone allowed? No wonder Gerald stepped away from this mess. Too many egos and not enough forward thinking in my opinion.
I don't care if the bloxxdy stadium is paid off early, or at all ! what will the money men do? take It way? Stop Wales playing there? ok what then ?demolish it?
Anyway its mere than a year before the world cup plenty of time to screw things up even more. I dare say we will be able to lose a few more players overseas yet and maybe even the coaching staff.
Utterly ridiculous state of affairs at this late stage and the old phrase "lions lead by donkeys" is an offence to donkeys
........and through all this nonsense the Wales captain has not got a club to play for in the coming season. What other rugby laying nation would this mayhem be tolerated let alone allowed? No wonder Gerald stepped away from this mess. Too many egos and not enough forward thinking in my opinion. I don't care if the bloxxdy stadium is paid off early, or at all ! what will the money men do? take It way? Stop Wales playing there? ok what then ?demolish it? Anyway its mere than a year before the world cup plenty of time to screw things up even more. I dare say we will be able to lose a few more players overseas yet and maybe even the coaching staff. Utterly ridiculous state of affairs at this late stage and the old phrase "lions lead by donkeys" is an offence to donkeys corpardguy
  • Score: 10

6:54am Tue 15 Jul 14

Robert Shillabeer says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong.
Your last sentence... Why should I stop criticising a set-up which has failed so miserably and alienated so many since its establishment?
You can hold whatever opinion you like but please stop simply criticizing regionalization. There simply isn't enough cash to support a professional level of rugby in Wales at Premiership level. If four super clubs were created at Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli and Swansea they would simply be the current regions under different names and there are no other clubs with populations large enough to pay for top tier sides.
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong.[/p][/quote]Your last sentence... Why should I stop criticising a set-up which has failed so miserably and alienated so many since its establishment?[/p][/quote]You can hold whatever opinion you like but please stop simply criticizing regionalization. There simply isn't enough cash to support a professional level of rugby in Wales at Premiership level. If four super clubs were created at Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli and Swansea they would simply be the current regions under different names and there are no other clubs with populations large enough to pay for top tier sides. Robert Shillabeer
  • Score: 5

12:27pm Tue 15 Jul 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong.
Your last sentence... Why should I stop criticising a set-up which has failed so miserably and alienated so many since its establishment?
You can hold whatever opinion you like but please stop simply criticizing regionalization. There simply isn't enough cash to support a professional level of rugby in Wales at Premiership level. If four super clubs were created at Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli and Swansea they would simply be the current regions under different names and there are no other clubs with populations large enough to pay for top tier sides.
Your first sentence is in itself a complete and utter contradiction. Why are your sensibilities so delicate? Your last sentence is precisely what I want and what should happen.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: The regions are a manageable way of maintaining the professional game in Wales. The population of Wales is too smal for more than four teams hence the Warriors going to the wall sadly. The WRU wanted a professional level to support and produce Wales qualified players hence the strict limit on overseas players. The academies of all four regions are producing some very promising young players for the future. With the regions losing out on some established players and Adam Jones see to be on his way, there is a risk of losing the better players in the short term. The problem at the moment is the regions need better resources to maintain players and that's what the argument is all about. When did Wales football reach any sort of finals, why because Welsh sides can't attract Welsh players to play in Wales. The blame for this falls firmly at the doorstep of the WRU not the regions. If you don't like regional rugby then don't support it but stop trying to convince those who do that they are in the wrong.[/p][/quote]Your last sentence... Why should I stop criticising a set-up which has failed so miserably and alienated so many since its establishment?[/p][/quote]You can hold whatever opinion you like but please stop simply criticizing regionalization. There simply isn't enough cash to support a professional level of rugby in Wales at Premiership level. If four super clubs were created at Newport, Cardiff, Llanelli and Swansea they would simply be the current regions under different names and there are no other clubs with populations large enough to pay for top tier sides.[/p][/quote]Your first sentence is in itself a complete and utter contradiction. Why are your sensibilities so delicate? Your last sentence is precisely what I want and what should happen. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

6:54pm Tue 15 Jul 14

CaptainB says...

I've paid for my season ticket, so I am going to enjoy listening to these clowns, because both sides have their own agendas and both sides are trying to make out that they are the innocent party.
It will need someone with the skills of Tasker-Watkins to knock their heads together and make them understand that THEY DEPEND ON EACH OTHER TO SURVIVE!!! They don't have to like each other.
I've paid for my season ticket, so I am going to enjoy listening to these clowns, because both sides have their own agendas and both sides are trying to make out that they are the innocent party. It will need someone with the skills of Tasker-Watkins to knock their heads together and make them understand that THEY DEPEND ON EACH OTHER TO SURVIVE!!! They don't have to like each other. CaptainB
  • Score: 1
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