Wales in World Cup 2015 group of death

WALES’ hopes of avoiding a World Cup 2015 group of death were shattered today when they drew Australia and England in Pool A.

Warren Gatland’s men were beaten by Australia 14-12 on Saturday following on from a 3-0 series whitewash Down Under in the summer.

England, on the other hand, are riding high following a sensational 38-21 victory over the All Blacks and could offer even tougher opposition come 2015.

Scotland have drawn South Africa and Samoa in Pool B and Ireland will face France and Italy in Pool D.

The All Blacks are in Pool C where they will do battle with Argentina and Tonga.

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4:03pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Tough pool but a long way to go before we get there. Both big sides are beatable. We must start now and get the fitness problems sorted and with some younger players to come through into contention over the next two years nothing to be down hearted about. Qualify from that pool and we could get to the final this time.
Tough pool but a long way to go before we get there. Both big sides are beatable. We must start now and get the fitness problems sorted and with some younger players to come through into contention over the next two years nothing to be down hearted about. Qualify from that pool and we could get to the final this time. Robert Shillabeer
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4:47pm Mon 3 Dec 12

SizzlerTrainers says...

It's no ore than we deserve, hope Roger the Dodger is happy with letting the top man swan of with the Lions? poor show leading to a poor Pool.
It's no ore than we deserve, hope Roger the Dodger is happy with letting the top man swan of with the Lions? poor show leading to a poor Pool. SizzlerTrainers
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5:08pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Slider02 says...

Well seeing as the whole welsh team lacks the following "self belief, determination & a will to win" - they got what they deserverd.

If they actually believed in themselves and said that we WILL beat Australia & the All blacks, and not allowed themselves to be swallowed up in the fantastic psychological game that both sides play against wales days before a game - maybe things would have been different. But then again when even the welsh media cries "the mighty All Blacks are in town" - they just make it so much easier for them to beat wales on a mental level, thus when the game is actually played, wales don`t have a chance because mentally both Australia & the All Blacks BELIEVE that they will win. This is something that outside of the six nations Wales has never ever come to grips with !
Well seeing as the whole welsh team lacks the following "self belief, determination & a will to win" - they got what they deserverd. If they actually believed in themselves and said that we WILL beat Australia & the All blacks, and not allowed themselves to be swallowed up in the fantastic psychological game that both sides play against wales days before a game - maybe things would have been different. But then again when even the welsh media cries "the mighty All Blacks are in town" - they just make it so much easier for them to beat wales on a mental level, thus when the game is actually played, wales don`t have a chance because mentally both Australia & the All Blacks BELIEVE that they will win. This is something that outside of the six nations Wales has never ever come to grips with ! Slider02
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6:13pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Dai the Milk says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Tough pool but a long way to go before we get there. Both big sides are beatable. We must start now and get the fitness problems sorted and with some younger players to come through into contention over the next two years nothing to be down hearted about. Qualify from that pool and we could get to the final this time.
Robert, your blind optimism knows no bounds. Have you ever thought to yourself when you are watching at Rodney Parade 'how does this compare with rugby in the rest of the civilised word?' If not, tune in to a decent sports channel and it will open your eyes.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: Tough pool but a long way to go before we get there. Both big sides are beatable. We must start now and get the fitness problems sorted and with some younger players to come through into contention over the next two years nothing to be down hearted about. Qualify from that pool and we could get to the final this time.[/p][/quote]Robert, your blind optimism knows no bounds. Have you ever thought to yourself when you are watching at Rodney Parade 'how does this compare with rugby in the rest of the civilised word?' If not, tune in to a decent sports channel and it will open your eyes. Dai the Milk
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6:13pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Dai the Milk says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Tough pool but a long way to go before we get there. Both big sides are beatable. We must start now and get the fitness problems sorted and with some younger players to come through into contention over the next two years nothing to be down hearted about. Qualify from that pool and we could get to the final this time.
Robert, your blind optimism knows no bounds. Have you ever thought to yourself when you are watching at Rodney Parade 'how does this compare with rugby in the rest of the civilised world?' If not, tune in to a decent sports channel and it will open your eyes.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: Tough pool but a long way to go before we get there. Both big sides are beatable. We must start now and get the fitness problems sorted and with some younger players to come through into contention over the next two years nothing to be down hearted about. Qualify from that pool and we could get to the final this time.[/p][/quote]Robert, your blind optimism knows no bounds. Have you ever thought to yourself when you are watching at Rodney Parade 'how does this compare with rugby in the rest of the civilised world?' If not, tune in to a decent sports channel and it will open your eyes. Dai the Milk
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6:43pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Dai the World Cup is three years away and there is a lot of rugby to be played. Wales just lost to Australia on Saturday by a Try in the last minute of the game. A little loss of concentration and a dubious pass missed by the ref (perhaps) and the win would have been Welsh. Lets not get down hearted three years early, tough pool but three years can turn things round quite a bit. Not a good draw, but not much different to the last World Cup and we got to the semi final stage and decerved to do better, but onward and upward they say. Please stop all the gloom and doom for a change and put some encouragement into life.
Dai the World Cup is three years away and there is a lot of rugby to be played. Wales just lost to Australia on Saturday by a Try in the last minute of the game. A little loss of concentration and a dubious pass missed by the ref (perhaps) and the win would have been Welsh. Lets not get down hearted three years early, tough pool but three years can turn things round quite a bit. Not a good draw, but not much different to the last World Cup and we got to the semi final stage and decerved to do better, but onward and upward they say. Please stop all the gloom and doom for a change and put some encouragement into life. Robert Shillabeer
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6:50pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Slider02 wrote:
Well seeing as the whole welsh team lacks the following "self belief, determination & a will to win" - they got what they deserverd.

If they actually believed in themselves and said that we WILL beat Australia & the All blacks, and not allowed themselves to be swallowed up in the fantastic psychological game that both sides play against wales days before a game - maybe things would have been different. But then again when even the welsh media cries "the mighty All Blacks are in town" - they just make it so much easier for them to beat wales on a mental level, thus when the game is actually played, wales don`t have a chance because mentally both Australia & the All Blacks BELIEVE that they will win. This is something that outside of the six nations Wales has never ever come to grips with !
Your talking about the role of the coaching staff with this one and I agree with you that they must get their heads right for games against them. They are not that far ahead of European sides as the England win on Saturday shows. Over the next few months there will be lots of players retiring and both England and Wales have a core of younger players who should be in their prime come the World Cup finals, important they learn how to get their heads right as well as skills.
[quote][p][bold]Slider02[/bold] wrote: Well seeing as the whole welsh team lacks the following "self belief, determination & a will to win" - they got what they deserverd. If they actually believed in themselves and said that we WILL beat Australia & the All blacks, and not allowed themselves to be swallowed up in the fantastic psychological game that both sides play against wales days before a game - maybe things would have been different. But then again when even the welsh media cries "the mighty All Blacks are in town" - they just make it so much easier for them to beat wales on a mental level, thus when the game is actually played, wales don`t have a chance because mentally both Australia & the All Blacks BELIEVE that they will win. This is something that outside of the six nations Wales has never ever come to grips with ![/p][/quote]Your talking about the role of the coaching staff with this one and I agree with you that they must get their heads right for games against them. They are not that far ahead of European sides as the England win on Saturday shows. Over the next few months there will be lots of players retiring and both England and Wales have a core of younger players who should be in their prime come the World Cup finals, important they learn how to get their heads right as well as skills. Robert Shillabeer
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7:06pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Euwan Usami says...

The media are already playing up the group of death tag. Would they prefer SA and Samoa? It's based in the UK. We have no fear of England. The odds are getting shorter for an Australian win. There is literally nothing between the sides these days. We beat Fiji 66-0 last time out. It's about injuries and peaking at the right time but we are more than capable of getting out if that group.
The media are already playing up the group of death tag. Would they prefer SA and Samoa? It's based in the UK. We have no fear of England. The odds are getting shorter for an Australian win. There is literally nothing between the sides these days. We beat Fiji 66-0 last time out. It's about injuries and peaking at the right time but we are more than capable of getting out if that group. Euwan Usami
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7:23pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Euwan Usami wrote:
The media are already playing up the group of death tag. Would they prefer SA and Samoa? It's based in the UK. We have no fear of England. The odds are getting shorter for an Australian win. There is literally nothing between the sides these days. We beat Fiji 66-0 last time out. It's about injuries and peaking at the right time but we are more than capable of getting out if that group.
The media always will over state things as that's what sells papers. The pool s difficult for ALL teams in it. It's 15 v 15 at the end of the day and get the players fit, on song and in the right mindset s down to the coaching team and Warren Gatland and co seem to be very good at that and the Lions tour will be history. So we don't need to worry too much just yet, tough yes but that's hen the tough get going or so they say.
[quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: The media are already playing up the group of death tag. Would they prefer SA and Samoa? It's based in the UK. We have no fear of England. The odds are getting shorter for an Australian win. There is literally nothing between the sides these days. We beat Fiji 66-0 last time out. It's about injuries and peaking at the right time but we are more than capable of getting out if that group.[/p][/quote]The media always will over state things as that's what sells papers. The pool s difficult for ALL teams in it. It's 15 v 15 at the end of the day and get the players fit, on song and in the right mindset s down to the coaching team and Warren Gatland and co seem to be very good at that and the Lions tour will be history. So we don't need to worry too much just yet, tough yes but that's hen the tough get going or so they say. Robert Shillabeer
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8:13pm Mon 3 Dec 12

MazYork says...

Good post Euwan Usami.
It's not like it's next year and like you said I think we have some good talent coming through, including props!
Good post Euwan Usami. It's not like it's next year and like you said I think we have some good talent coming through, including props! MazYork
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8:52pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Keith Barnett says...

Tell you in 2 years time. Doen't matter who is in our group at this stage. Anyone can beat anyone if they get their heads right
Tell you in 2 years time. Doen't matter who is in our group at this stage. Anyone can beat anyone if they get their heads right Keith Barnett
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11:52pm Mon 3 Dec 12

corpardguy says...

Keith Barnett says..Quote.
8:52pm Mon 3 Dec 12
"Tell you in 2 years time. Doesn't matter who is in our group at this stage. Anyone can beat anyone if they get their heads right"....

Correct but SKILL and TACTICS also play a huge roll and smash bash up the middle is NOT going to win games now or in two, three years or 5 years everyone has done it and everyone knows how defend against it.

We need 15 athletes who can run for 120 mins and can offload in a tackle to a team mate and beat a man on the inside every time!
OH well...........
Keith Barnett says..Quote. 8:52pm Mon 3 Dec 12 "Tell you in 2 years time. Doesn't matter who is in our group at this stage. Anyone can beat anyone if they get their heads right".... Correct but SKILL and TACTICS also play a huge roll and smash bash up the middle is NOT going to win games now or in two, three years or 5 years everyone has done it and everyone knows how defend against it. We need 15 athletes who can run for 120 mins and can offload in a tackle to a team mate and beat a man on the inside every time! OH well........... corpardguy
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11:35am Tue 4 Dec 12

saltheartfoamfollower says...

Why run for 120 mins wouldn't eighty be enough?
Why run for 120 mins wouldn't eighty be enough? saltheartfoamfollower
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4:28pm Tue 4 Dec 12

corpardguy says...

NO! 80 mins is not enough for two reasons, One, A game doesn't last for 80 mins it lasts as long as you do and if you train for 80 you can only do 80 but may need more reserves to counter the telling tackles and blows in the game and secondly, we play extra time in the world cup in case of a draw, or hadn't you noticed?...........!
muppet!
NO! 80 mins is not enough for two reasons, One, A game doesn't last for 80 mins it lasts as long as you do and if you train for 80 you can only do 80 but may need more reserves to counter the telling tackles and blows in the game and secondly, we play extra time in the world cup in case of a draw, or hadn't you noticed?...........! muppet! corpardguy
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