Poor 15 years

First published in Letters

WALES marks the 15th anniversary of Labour’s record in the Welsh Assembly. For 15 years, Labour has been running Wales into the ground, wasting money and pursuing populist gimmicks while Wales gets poorer and public services are stretched to breaking point.

Against nearly every performance indicator Labour has let down the people of Wales, not only wasting the past 15 years but actively making the problems many people face worse.

After 15 years of Labour, Wales is the poorest part of the UK, is ranked bottom of UK nations in school league tables, has consistently missed key NHS waiting time targets and has seen some of the UK’s highest rises in council tax. Wales is being held back by a Labour administration that has been in place for too long.

It lacks the ambition needed to maximise our powers to best benefit our people. There is an element within the Labour party mainly Labour MPs who don’t want the Welsh Assembly being too successful. As they are afraid of stronger voices calling for the same powers as Scotland and even independence.

Andrew Nutt Heolddu Road Bargoed

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4:38pm Tue 20 May 14

Realist UK says...

If there was a referendum on the Welsh Assembly today it wouldn't get off the ground. People have become more aware over the past 15 years regarding political opportunists, doing nothing but rewarding themselves handsomely.
If there was a referendum on the Welsh Assembly today it wouldn't get off the ground. People have become more aware over the past 15 years regarding political opportunists, doing nothing but rewarding themselves handsomely. Realist UK
  • Score: 17

7:53pm Tue 20 May 14

pwlldu says...

Labour party don't want a sucessfull Assembly.
Labour party don't want a sucessfull Assembly. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

8:40pm Tue 20 May 14

welshmen says...

Piddlypoo says Labour party don't want a successful Assembly.

The same was said about the Commie Plaid Cymru party....vote UKIP we already have....
Piddlypoo says Labour party don't want a successful Assembly. The same was said about the Commie Plaid Cymru party....vote UKIP we already have.... welshmen
  • Score: 8

8:58pm Tue 20 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Labour party don't want a sucessfull Assembly.
They don't want successful people. You're no use to Labour if you make a go of your life. Mind you, Plaid aren't fond of anyone living in GB's successes either.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Labour party don't want a sucessfull Assembly.[/p][/quote]They don't want successful people. You're no use to Labour if you make a go of your life. Mind you, Plaid aren't fond of anyone living in GB's successes either. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 9

9:08pm Tue 20 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Realist UK wrote:
If there was a referendum on the Welsh Assembly today it wouldn't get off the ground. People have become more aware over the past 15 years regarding political opportunists, doing nothing but rewarding themselves handsomely.
very true !!! we should have a referendum on it now
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: If there was a referendum on the Welsh Assembly today it wouldn't get off the ground. People have become more aware over the past 15 years regarding political opportunists, doing nothing but rewarding themselves handsomely.[/p][/quote]very true !!! we should have a referendum on it now scraptheWAG
  • Score: 12

10:34pm Tue 20 May 14

allanrees1980 says...

Without the Welsh Government we would be associated with a consumerist and market approach that England advocates, no matter if its the Tory's or Westminster Labour. "Where individual economic actors pursue their own interests with little regard to wider implications" Rhodri Morgan 2002.

Universal policies of free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions and a caped charge for social care are good examples to support that. Major policy strategies such as Making the Connections and Fulfilled Lives Supportive Communities open vision statements reiterating a commitment to a model of public service deliver that differs from the market-orientated approach of New Labour (Plus the Tory's, Lib Dems and UKIP). The language of policy papers in Wales stresses citizenship, equality of outcome. universality and collaboration rather than competition and consumerism. (Prof Charlotte Williams - Keele University).

Wales sits to the left of England not just geographically but politically. So if you want your hospitals sold, your schools practically private and every man for himself you go putting that X in the UKIP box. Tory's in with Purple Ties.

Furthermore we might not be ambitious as people like, but that leads the path of the consumer again. The context of Welsh ambition is different, we're citizens and we should strive to be cohesive.
Without the Welsh Government we would be associated with a consumerist and market approach that England advocates, no matter if its the Tory's or Westminster Labour. "Where individual economic actors pursue their own interests with little regard to wider implications" Rhodri Morgan 2002. Universal policies of free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions and a caped charge for social care are good examples to support that. Major policy strategies such as Making the Connections and Fulfilled Lives Supportive Communities open vision statements reiterating a commitment to a model of public service deliver that differs from the market-orientated approach of New Labour (Plus the Tory's, Lib Dems and UKIP). The language of policy papers in Wales stresses citizenship, equality of outcome. universality and collaboration rather than competition and consumerism. (Prof Charlotte Williams - Keele University). Wales sits to the left of England not just geographically but politically. So if you want your hospitals sold, your schools practically private and every man for himself you go putting that X in the UKIP box. Tory's in with Purple Ties. Furthermore we might not be ambitious as people like, but that leads the path of the consumer again. The context of Welsh ambition is different, we're citizens and we should strive to be cohesive. allanrees1980
  • Score: -20

1:09am Wed 21 May 14

Spinflight says...

Sigh..

Previous poster was correct in one sense, Welsh Labour has nothing to do with Ed Miliband's One Nation Labour ( hint: the nation they are talking about isn't Wales).

It does however have some very talented people. Unfortunately those talents are in the areas of enriching themselves at our expense and defending the indefensible.

Labour's record is deplorable. There are no bright spots, no successes and no excuse.They have failed in every measurable way.

Worse, to my mind though, is the complete lack of responsibility by the multitudes of labour members who are paid handsomely to be responsible.

The post above is a good example, he evidently defines himself not by what he can do to help the ordinary people but by who he hates. There is no apology, no plan and even a slander on Welsh ambition.
Sigh.. Previous poster was correct in one sense, Welsh Labour has nothing to do with Ed Miliband's One Nation Labour ( hint: the nation they are talking about isn't Wales). It does however have some very talented people. Unfortunately those talents are in the areas of enriching themselves at our expense and defending the indefensible. Labour's record is deplorable. There are no bright spots, no successes and no excuse.They have failed in every measurable way. Worse, to my mind though, is the complete lack of responsibility by the multitudes of labour members who are paid handsomely to be responsible. The post above is a good example, he evidently defines himself not by what he can do to help the ordinary people but by who he hates. There is no apology, no plan and even a slander on Welsh ambition. Spinflight
  • Score: 6

6:26am Wed 21 May 14

allanrees1980 says...

Quotes from academic literature. I went a lecture by Julia Goodwin (Chief exe JRF) on opposing poverty. Wales is quiet a progressive place in terms of protecting the vulnerable vulnerable. Three years in University and now aim to do my masters. Each academic using evidence to demonstrate progression in Wales. There's been three terms in Wales, 15 years to undo 30 years of damage and entrenched deprivation. One of those terms was in coalition with Plaid. Also I don't "hate", such a strong and resentful word which demonstrates when all the opposition can do is use rhetoric when somebody comes up with a smart counter answer, the knifes out and you get nasty.
Quotes from academic literature. I went a lecture by Julia Goodwin (Chief exe JRF) on opposing poverty. Wales is quiet a progressive place in terms of protecting the vulnerable vulnerable. Three years in University and now aim to do my masters. Each academic using evidence to demonstrate progression in Wales. There's been three terms in Wales, 15 years to undo 30 years of damage and entrenched deprivation. One of those terms was in coalition with Plaid. Also I don't "hate", such a strong and resentful word which demonstrates when all the opposition can do is use rhetoric when somebody comes up with a smart counter answer, the knifes out and you get nasty. allanrees1980
  • Score: -14

7:38am Wed 21 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

allanrees1980 wrote:
Without the Welsh Government we would be associated with a consumerist and market approach that England advocates, no matter if its the Tory's or Westminster Labour. "Where individual economic actors pursue their own interests with little regard to wider implications" Rhodri Morgan 2002.

Universal policies of free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions and a caped charge for social care are good examples to support that. Major policy strategies such as Making the Connections and Fulfilled Lives Supportive Communities open vision statements reiterating a commitment to a model of public service deliver that differs from the market-orientated approach of New Labour (Plus the Tory's, Lib Dems and UKIP). The language of policy papers in Wales stresses citizenship, equality of outcome. universality and collaboration rather than competition and consumerism. (Prof Charlotte Williams - Keele University).

Wales sits to the left of England not just geographically but politically. So if you want your hospitals sold, your schools practically private and every man for himself you go putting that X in the UKIP box. Tory's in with Purple Ties.

Furthermore we might not be ambitious as people like, but that leads the path of the consumer again. The context of Welsh ambition is different, we're citizens and we should strive to be cohesive.
With a finite budget those 'free' things you are on about come from elsewhere in the pot. Or are you deluded enough to think that 'free prescriptions' aren't funded by cuts elsewhere in the health service? Without people being able to earn more to pay ever higher taxes your 'free everything' will stall. Here's an interesting quote on your fictitious 'equality':

When half the people realise that, however hard they work, what they earn is taken off them and given away to those who don't earn it, they will stop trying. And when the other half realise that it's someone else's job to earn it for them, why would they try? That is the flaw in the Socialist plan and the end of civilisation.
[quote][p][bold]allanrees1980[/bold] wrote: Without the Welsh Government we would be associated with a consumerist and market approach that England advocates, no matter if its the Tory's or Westminster Labour. "Where individual economic actors pursue their own interests with little regard to wider implications" Rhodri Morgan 2002. Universal policies of free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions and a caped charge for social care are good examples to support that. Major policy strategies such as Making the Connections and Fulfilled Lives Supportive Communities open vision statements reiterating a commitment to a model of public service deliver that differs from the market-orientated approach of New Labour (Plus the Tory's, Lib Dems and UKIP). The language of policy papers in Wales stresses citizenship, equality of outcome. universality and collaboration rather than competition and consumerism. (Prof Charlotte Williams - Keele University). Wales sits to the left of England not just geographically but politically. So if you want your hospitals sold, your schools practically private and every man for himself you go putting that X in the UKIP box. Tory's in with Purple Ties. Furthermore we might not be ambitious as people like, but that leads the path of the consumer again. The context of Welsh ambition is different, we're citizens and we should strive to be cohesive.[/p][/quote]With a finite budget those 'free' things you are on about come from elsewhere in the pot. Or are you deluded enough to think that 'free prescriptions' aren't funded by cuts elsewhere in the health service? Without people being able to earn more to pay ever higher taxes your 'free everything' will stall. Here's an interesting quote on your fictitious 'equality': When half the people realise that, however hard they work, what they earn is taken off them and given away to those who don't earn it, they will stop trying. And when the other half realise that it's someone else's job to earn it for them, why would they try? That is the flaw in the Socialist plan and the end of civilisation. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 16

9:17am Wed 21 May 14

allanrees1980 says...

Yes those policies were created before budget restraints. Perhaps they need to be looked at. However, progressive universalism has it's benefits in my view. Furthermore I'm not deluded I've considered free prescriptions, your damned if you do and damned if you don't. However I don't go round calling people deluded. There's always two sides of a debate and argument. The person who starts using derogatory language with a pretentious attitude takes the lower ground and looses it.
Yes those policies were created before budget restraints. Perhaps they need to be looked at. However, progressive universalism has it's benefits in my view. Furthermore I'm not deluded I've considered free prescriptions, your damned if you do and damned if you don't. However I don't go round calling people deluded. There's always two sides of a debate and argument. The person who starts using derogatory language with a pretentious attitude takes the lower ground and looses it. allanrees1980
  • Score: -11

10:20am Wed 21 May 14

-trigg- says...

free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions


None of these services are actually free - they are all services paid for from taxes. Whilst the examples quoted are laudable, they are an example of the basic socialist belief that "we can spend your money better than you can".

Instead of taking the extra tax money and spend it on free swimming, they could instead leave that money in the hands of the individual and let them decide if they want to pay to go swimming, or for their child to have breakfast at school etc.
[quote]free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions[/quote] None of these services are actually free - they are all services paid for from taxes. Whilst the examples quoted are laudable, they are an example of the basic socialist belief that "we can spend your money better than you can". Instead of taking the extra tax money and spend it on free swimming, they could instead leave that money in the hands of the individual and let them decide if they want to pay to go swimming, or for their child to have breakfast at school etc. -trigg-
  • Score: 8

11:58am Wed 21 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

allanrees1980 wrote:
Yes those policies were created before budget restraints. Perhaps they need to be looked at. However, progressive universalism has it's benefits in my view. Furthermore I'm not deluded I've considered free prescriptions, your damned if you do and damned if you don't. However I don't go round calling people deluded. There's always two sides of a debate and argument. The person who starts using derogatory language with a pretentious attitude takes the lower ground and looses it.
Wasn't it WAG that took 8% out of the NHS budget? It was THEIR restraint then.
[quote][p][bold]allanrees1980[/bold] wrote: Yes those policies were created before budget restraints. Perhaps they need to be looked at. However, progressive universalism has it's benefits in my view. Furthermore I'm not deluded I've considered free prescriptions, your damned if you do and damned if you don't. However I don't go round calling people deluded. There's always two sides of a debate and argument. The person who starts using derogatory language with a pretentious attitude takes the lower ground and looses it.[/p][/quote]Wasn't it WAG that took 8% out of the NHS budget? It was THEIR restraint then. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 9

12:47pm Wed 21 May 14

allanrees1980 says...

We don't have tax raising powers or powers to pay a benefit we have a block grant. Not sure on the 8% or how historic that is. Please elloborate your statement?
We don't have tax raising powers or powers to pay a benefit we have a block grant. Not sure on the 8% or how historic that is. Please elloborate your statement? allanrees1980
  • Score: -8

1:38pm Wed 21 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

allanrees1980 wrote:
We don't have tax raising powers or powers to pay a benefit we have a block grant. Not sure on the 8% or how historic that is. Please elloborate your statement?
I'm not sure how tax raising powers will help. Given that the top 10% of earners pay 60% of all the income tax taken in the UK and most of them live in England. Most stamp duty and NI is raised there too. What do you think people would do if it became even harder to get ahead here? England is close by. As for the NHS story:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/n
ews/uk-wales-2697537
6
[quote][p][bold]allanrees1980[/bold] wrote: We don't have tax raising powers or powers to pay a benefit we have a block grant. Not sure on the 8% or how historic that is. Please elloborate your statement?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure how tax raising powers will help. Given that the top 10% of earners pay 60% of all the income tax taken in the UK and most of them live in England. Most stamp duty and NI is raised there too. What do you think people would do if it became even harder to get ahead here? England is close by. As for the NHS story: http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-wales-2697537 6 Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 9

9:03pm Wed 21 May 14

allanrees1980 says...

Sorry I was referring to trigg's comment. Yep socialist thinking and Keynesian economics. Although letting people decide if they would want to go swimming (for example) or whether to buy a prescription based on what they can afford will exclude people on lower or close to the poverty line income. There's a lot of people in Wales. Therefore, universalism of such services is progressive as it is inclusive. It then leads to other societal benefits in terms of health and improved living standards, which in turn allows services to save money - if not inadvertently. Llanmartinangel I'm sorry I could not read your link.
Sorry I was referring to trigg's comment. Yep socialist thinking and Keynesian economics. Although letting people decide if they would want to go swimming (for example) or whether to buy a prescription based on what they can afford will exclude people on lower or close to the poverty line income. There's a lot of people in Wales. Therefore, universalism of such services is progressive as it is inclusive. It then leads to other societal benefits in terms of health and improved living standards, which in turn allows services to save money - if not inadvertently. Llanmartinangel I'm sorry I could not read your link. allanrees1980
  • Score: -7

10:13am Mon 26 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
allanrees1980 wrote:
Without the Welsh Government we would be associated with a consumerist and market approach that England advocates, no matter if its the Tory's or Westminster Labour. "Where individual economic actors pursue their own interests with little regard to wider implications" Rhodri Morgan 2002.

Universal policies of free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions and a caped charge for social care are good examples to support that. Major policy strategies such as Making the Connections and Fulfilled Lives Supportive Communities open vision statements reiterating a commitment to a model of public service deliver that differs from the market-orientated approach of New Labour (Plus the Tory's, Lib Dems and UKIP). The language of policy papers in Wales stresses citizenship, equality of outcome. universality and collaboration rather than competition and consumerism. (Prof Charlotte Williams - Keele University).

Wales sits to the left of England not just geographically but politically. So if you want your hospitals sold, your schools practically private and every man for himself you go putting that X in the UKIP box. Tory's in with Purple Ties.

Furthermore we might not be ambitious as people like, but that leads the path of the consumer again. The context of Welsh ambition is different, we're citizens and we should strive to be cohesive.
With a finite budget those 'free' things you are on about come from elsewhere in the pot. Or are you deluded enough to think that 'free prescriptions' aren't funded by cuts elsewhere in the health service? Without people being able to earn more to pay ever higher taxes your 'free everything' will stall. Here's an interesting quote on your fictitious 'equality':

When half the people realise that, however hard they work, what they earn is taken off them and given away to those who don't earn it, they will stop trying. And when the other half realise that it's someone else's job to earn it for them, why would they try? That is the flaw in the Socialist plan and the end of civilisation.
you will always get the free loaders and scroungers in society who think everything costs nothing.

these people naturally find their home with the labour
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allanrees1980[/bold] wrote: Without the Welsh Government we would be associated with a consumerist and market approach that England advocates, no matter if its the Tory's or Westminster Labour. "Where individual economic actors pursue their own interests with little regard to wider implications" Rhodri Morgan 2002. Universal policies of free school milk, free nursery and breakfasts for primary children, free swimming, free prescriptions and a caped charge for social care are good examples to support that. Major policy strategies such as Making the Connections and Fulfilled Lives Supportive Communities open vision statements reiterating a commitment to a model of public service deliver that differs from the market-orientated approach of New Labour (Plus the Tory's, Lib Dems and UKIP). The language of policy papers in Wales stresses citizenship, equality of outcome. universality and collaboration rather than competition and consumerism. (Prof Charlotte Williams - Keele University). Wales sits to the left of England not just geographically but politically. So if you want your hospitals sold, your schools practically private and every man for himself you go putting that X in the UKIP box. Tory's in with Purple Ties. Furthermore we might not be ambitious as people like, but that leads the path of the consumer again. The context of Welsh ambition is different, we're citizens and we should strive to be cohesive.[/p][/quote]With a finite budget those 'free' things you are on about come from elsewhere in the pot. Or are you deluded enough to think that 'free prescriptions' aren't funded by cuts elsewhere in the health service? Without people being able to earn more to pay ever higher taxes your 'free everything' will stall. Here's an interesting quote on your fictitious 'equality': When half the people realise that, however hard they work, what they earn is taken off them and given away to those who don't earn it, they will stop trying. And when the other half realise that it's someone else's job to earn it for them, why would they try? That is the flaw in the Socialist plan and the end of civilisation.[/p][/quote]you will always get the free loaders and scroungers in society who think everything costs nothing. these people naturally find their home with the labour scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

10:19am Mon 26 May 14

allanrees1980 says...

You'll always get believing that people are scrougers out of choice.
You'll always get believing that people are scrougers out of choice. allanrees1980
  • Score: -3

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